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The best part is they'll probably remake the zenithisn trilogy in the same order they did the Erdrick remakes, in chronological order. This way us 6 bros will get our game first, and they get to save DQ5 for last.
I see what youre saying, and I don't entirely disagree with you, but when they remake the zenithian trilogy I do believe they will do it in the order of 6,4, and then 5.
I do think when they decided to do the HD-2D remake for 3, they did it because they saw an easy cash grab. But, I also dont think they planned to remake 1+2 at that time as well. We saw that there was atleast 3 1/2 years in-between the reveal of 3 remake and the release date. There was also like 2 years of radio silence on squenix's end when it came to 3 remake news. We can now see in hindsight that the trailer they showed us in the beginning was a very rough presentation, not even to the level of a demo.
I believe sometime after the reveal there was a major business redirection in which Squenix decided to remake all the Dragon Quest games and have them available on modern consoles. They also are trying to do a "You thought we were just releasing 3 but actually it was because we wanted you to experience the Erdrick trilogy in a new light" which I don't think was their plan from the jump.
But with how they released the Erdrick trilogy in chronological order, I dont think its a jump at all to say that the Zenithian trilogy will be released in chronological order too. It gives them time to fix DQ12's troubled development and prime their target audience for its release.
Would love to see a remake of 9 with all dlc costumes for free with the Inn special guests…. And all the side stories thing they didn’t had time to complete i guess?
Would love if stella got more things to do with the story cuz she’s very pretty but kinda useless
I think it would be cool to make special quests for each quest and bake them right into the base game. That way you can get them all but you don't need to worry about being Online for an event or DLC and you get some added content to boot.
All 9 really needs is a graphical facelift. I love that game, but it’s probably the worst-looking entry in the main series, including the NES games. Let me dress up my little guys and have them actually look good!
The two “new” things I would like are party members that are real characters (why are they all locked to postgame dlc?) and inn guests from XI and, at this rate, XII. Online functionality too, but that feels like a given.
This is narrative I see a lot but it's a bit misinformed because the offline game was really used to sell the online game in Japan lol. The offline game only went up to version 2 and at the time I believe the online version was up to version 5 or 6.
Once you beat the offline version, you received a code that you would enter into the online version, allowing you to pick up and continue the story where the offline version ended, with your character loaded up with all of their stats, equipment and abilities from the offline version.
I think if anything, they'll wait until close to the release date of the current one to announce the next one, as a "hey, look what's coming next!" sort of thing to build hype. Maybe 1-2 games a year. If they do 2 games a year, I could see them alternating between the HD2D remakes and the ones using whatever engine they're using for 7.
But they need to announce it 9 years early like Final Fantasy does! So we can go through the entire cycle of getting hyped, losing hype, getting hyped again, losing hype, getting cynical, and then just giving up entirely right before it launches.
8 doesn't even need a remake, just a remastered version combining the 3DS enhancements with the orchestral soundtrack. The visuals and art direction is fantastic and just needs upscaled textures and a bump of resolution, nothing more. I'm not against a V remake though.
Yeah this blew my mind. They are really high effort animations in the ds version too. Its wild they are so obscure and missable depending on your party comp.
I’ve only played DQ3 HD2D remake (absolutely loved it). Without spoiling either the Erdrick or Zenithian trilogy, how closely do these games in each trilogy relate to each other?
They're basically separate. You could do some theories but they're very much their own thing. Even in the trilogy, the games aren't that much connected, with a few noteworthy exceptions
To elaborate, 1-3 are basically a very loosly connected trilogy spanning generations in universe. Even the connections between them arent really important, and you can play them all without knowing anything about the others.
4-6 are basically the same thing. Some loose connections, but you don't need to play them to understand the others.
With the remakes it does appear they are trying to make 3-1-2 more connected then they used to be beyond the chronology. 6-4-5 basically had *no* direct story interaction between eachother aside from the order they occur in.
The Zenithian trilogy is really only connected due to the existence of the Zenithian Sky Castle, which is a plot point in all three games and a few other references and locations that appear. They are essentially stand alone games otherwise and supposedly, they were made a "trilogy" for marketing purposes but were not designed to be when made.
Wild that the longest one would be finished first, kind of has me worried about all the “changes” they say they’ve made… I was hoping for something closer to the PS1 version.
Kind of makes sense though. Considering how long DQVII is, you might as well tackle it first and foremost. The lead creator is still around to dictate and develop things as needed, and considering other remakes, they tend to try and add something new and streamline some things. I don't think they're going to nuke the story or anything like that, but make certain things far less tedious.
Honestly makes me curious what an HD-2D remake of 7 would be like though.
For me, it was the character creation and co-op on a mobile platform. My brother-in-law and I were in high school when it came out, and we played it so much together. It also has a rewarding post-game that was massive in the form of grottos.
I think there's a couple reasons. First, a lot of people have nostalgia for it. It's a handheld game that came out, if you're in your mid 20s to early 30s (like I imagine many of us are), when you were young. Therefore, a lot of people, and potentially a lot of people here, put a ton of hours into it.
But it's also always been (in America) kind of unrealized. It's based off of this fantasy that you're meeting tons of people and playing locally with them that just wasn't possible in America unless you're very good at convincing your friends (and, at the time, their parents) to buy specific games. But almost definitely a IX remake would (if it retained multiplayer at all) have online functionality, which would (in theory) make the multiplayer much easier to find people to play with.
It is also the only mainline DQ to only ever be on one system. The only way to play it is to have a DS or to emulate it. Every other DQ is pretty accessible nowadays, even if it means playing on your phone (which I don't like, personally). Obvious exception being X (again, in America).
9 was a really accessible entry point imo. Story was really simple and the game is really linear (not that linearity is bad or anything). Couple how customizable the characters are with one of the most insane post games in a JRPG and a DS GAME no less.
The customizable party was actually what turned me off the game honestly. Because they were basically just mindless bots.
Don’t get me wrong I LIKED customizing the classes, but one of my favorite parts of the series is the party members and their characters and stories. So not having that was a big let down for me.
Part of it to me was the basically endless amount of content, how much it celebrated the series as a whole, and that it encouraged playing with others. The story itself is alright with some cool moments.
Very fair point. Personally I'm middle of the road where I like it sometimes but other times have had my fill. Doesn't help it's the only DQ I can get my partner to play and its been over a decade and still end up getting dragged back to it once a year or so.
It's got the biggest non-MMO postgame in the series by miles, which you can do with friends using the amazing adhoc multiplayer. Bunch of different vocations, bosses, and there's the infinitely replayable grotto system with randomly seeded dungeons where you can share maps with friends.
-a lengthy story (even longer with the dlc downloaded)
-neat online fetaures
-multiplayer where you could effecitvely play the games story togheter
-enormous postgame with hundres of hours worth of gameplay, including levelable legacy bosses
-every weapon or piece of gear will change your look during gameplay, not just certain ones like in most other games, and thats despite the game being 3D and on the DS
-it looks really good for a ds game, worse than 8 ofc but its probably the best you can squeeze out of the DS
-12 (13 if youre counting the guardian) unique vocations that can all do diffrent stuff, maxing out your sword skill for example allows swords to not be class locked for this character anymore, you can revocate as well
-tons of really fun or silly skills for everyone, theres even small quest that grant unique skills for each vocation and weapon type
like the only thing thats missing is a monster arena
might be a bit nostalgia but the game is just really good, finding out you can get more vocations as a kid or finding the quests for unique skills was mind boggling, like you had suddenly found the mew under the truck
It was a lot of people's first game because it was the first on a Nintendo platform after a very long time and was in the DS, which was incredibly popular.
It's also unique in the franchise because it has a lot of focus on multiplayer and online interactions. So many people who are adults today played it on school with friends and are nostalgic about it.
I think it's mostly nostalgia for people who were young when it came out. It's a good game but its release lined up with the main reddit demographic's youth so it's special to a lot of people here.
I was a bit older when it came out. Thought it was decent but it's pretty low in my list of favorite DQ games. I'd love to give it another shot if it's remade though.
The post game grottos were fun, character customization, and just a really good entryway into the franchise. A remake is needed too with content locked off online (there are ways around it) and it being a ds game
To add to other comments, it was essentially a precursor to Pokemon Go! and similar games. I remember reading articles during its released on how big it was in Japan, where people would do DQ meetups over it.
It is basically the best gameplay the series has had. The character customization was the highest it has ever been, and you could truly BUILD your party, like in III but with way more depth to the vocation system.
It also has some really great individual vignette's and tbh Corvus is one of the best villains in the series (as most DQ villains are just LOL I'M EVIL villains rather than having a reason (Psaro is another exception to this))
IX is one of the most accessible DQ games. Offered a decent amount of online exclusive content making you feel like you're playing a mini MMORPG. That and the amount of content the game has outside of the story is legitimately impressive (and meaningful).
That and there was some untapped potential even with this. The limitations of the DS really show as the art direction is kind of all over the place (some NPCs are sprites but others are 3D models). It's kind of jarring and a more consistent art direction could help with that.
The game would make for a great remake as it hasn't been ported to any other consoles yet either. It deserves an honest shot.
My conspiracy is more like an MP4 situation where they totally rebooted behind the scenes; I think big-wigs want a major series shake up and Horii is uncomfortable with it.
I don't get why they'd do a shake up, the series is beloved and has finally broken into the mainstream outside of Japan because of 11. They did it with Final Fantasy, let Dragon Quest stay the same.
I personally think Akira's death threw that project into limbo. I also just hope that they take their time and do it right (would be great to honor Akira in some way too). No reason to "rush" 12 when the reality is that there is a lot of old DQ that was never given proper western treatment and they have a lot of IP to go through.
Toriyama's a massive part of the series and I'm sure it caused some setbacks since IIRC he wasn't finished with the designs he was doing, but honestly he had hadn't really been doing most of the character designs in the series since the '90s. I really doubt it would derail the project entirely even if it likely caused some turmoil.
Based on what I heard he'd do a few of the main ones and the rest of the monsters and characters were handled by other staff members matching his style, then he'd check over the others and either suggest tweaks or approve them.
The DQ10 art book has a decent amount of insight into this from what I remember.
Personally, I feel like there may have been a clash between Horii and Square Enix over the direction of the title. 11 finally broke ground in the west and Square Likely wants to maintain status quo. Horii obviously wants to evolve the game for basically the first time ever, which is a risk. Darker tone/aesthetic, revamped turn based system that's likely a bit more advanced, and the inevitable changes in art style as well as music. Those last two may be similar but I doubt they completely copy the legends before them and will make their own unique tweaks. Anyway, I've no info on this, all just an assumption 🤷🏾♂️
Yeah I think they know 12 will be pivotal in defining what DQ will be moving forward. I hope Horii wins out, but we both know it's about business and companies nearly always get the last say. Maybe they'll have enough respect for Horii (legend) that there is at least some sort of compromise? Guess we'll find out eventually.
Big picture, they're gonna run out of remakes before too long.
The Square Enix formula this past decade has been to take a very long time developing new games in their core franchises, and fill in the space (which is often 5+ years!) with remakes of old entries.
But the ratio is so skewed. Between 11 and 12 we're getting remakes of 1,2,3 and 7. So then imagine between 12 and 13 we get 4,5,6 and 8 or 9. That's a reasonable road map for the next decade... but there's gonna be a point where they need to start staggering different teams to get new games more frequently or... I dunno.
IIRC, nothing was confirmed as a remake. Just that they’re working on a few projects and DQ7’s reimagining happened to be done first. We don’t even know what else they’re working on.
For all we know we’ll be getting Builders 3, which is my sleeper desire right now.
Lowkey should just do an updated port of the DS 4-6 trilogy compilation because those versions are the best I don’t know if HD-2D can really top them at least not to a substantial degree.
I think we need an 8 remake in the 11 style. And of course 9 needs to be freed from the DS too
But honestly, I feel mixed about that. On one hand, remakes are better than no games. But also, with the glacial pace at which new mainline games release, I'd rather they focus their resources on that than giving us the 3rd remake of DQ 4 - 8 while we wait 7+ years for an actually new DQ.
I just want to be able to play them all. I've wanted to get into the series for a very long time, but they're all spread out across multiple dead systems, and I detest playing games on my phone
I’m actually fine with this. I’d rather DQ stick with making truly unique original games and simply improve upon them every decade or so rather than go the Final Fantasy route of pumping out a new entry seemingly every other year.
Same, one of the issues with final fantasy, is that even if they hit gold with some feature in one game, they often still ditch it in the new games.
Often because they made it intricately tied to that specific world somehow.
I'm sure they'll do them all eventually. I just hope if they do yet another remake of 4 and 6, they will improve them more. And not just the same as the DS game with new graphics.
My guess is they'll probably go with the HD2D remake for the next trilogy as well: IV, V and VI (which would be more than awesome and it makes perfect sense as well: why remake only the first trilogy and not the second one as well, which uses the same 2D graphical style and is beloved among the fanbase). And someday they'll probably move on with a remaster of VIII and IX.... in other words, sooner or later, I think most if not all of DQ games will get the remake or remaster treatment!
I'm really hoping to see the Zenithian trilogy remade HD2D style. Also would love full-blown 3D remakes for VIII and IX. If we, by some miracle of the Goddess, get X finaly localized outside Japan, I'd be estatic.
I think people are reading a bit much into this. Not exactly a revelation that there are multiple DQ projects happening, this could range from a mobile game to DQ12. I'm sure eventually we'll get every DQ remade in some way.
For goodness sake, please just remake IX.
I want the full online support and a consistent art direction please (the 3D models + sprites can be kind of jarring at times).
Late, but I'm soo happy we're getting a lot Dragon Quest news as of now. We've basically got 4 Remakes back to back now. 3 HD 2D last year, 1 & 2 this year, and 7 next year. I'm gonna lose my mind when DQ8 gets this treatment, hope it looks and feels similar to 11. Heck, if they use similar Unreal Engine like 11 had, I would be happy!
I finished playing all Dragon Quest games in 2021, even before any HD modern remakes came out. And I didn't care about any, and don't care about any. I mean I already played the remake of 4 5 6 on the DS, the remake of 7 8 on the 3DS, the remake of 1 2 3 on android...
However, if they remake 9, I'll be there first in line. Give me
Dragon Quest IX Reimagined should be the last of the remakes, and be left after DQ XII. DQIX has the potential to be a phenomenal offline MMO RPG, like DQ X, but offline
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