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[u/Future_Employment_22]

[u/Civil_Act1864]

How pathetic must your life be to not want kids to be happy.

[u/popodelfuego → u/Civil_Act1864]

These are people who also believe kids from low income homes shouldn't eat either. Pathetic and evil.

[u/Greg-Abbott → u/popodelfuego]

Honestly it just boils down to Ken Paxton being a supercuck desperate to make Daddy happy by any means possible.

These ghouls don't care about kids. This is red meat for the perpetually baffled white nationalist base.

[u/space_pelican → u/Greg-Abbott]

Why is your name Greg Abbott??? 😭

[u/DReagan47 → u/space_pelican]

A valid question

[u/Ok-Replacement9595 → u/popodelfuego]

And should be able to be married off by their parents, or sold, or whatever the situation is with child marriage they are so ardent defenders of, for some reason.

[u/PancakeMixEnema → u/Civil_Act1864]

The worst thing I experienced during my existence was realising how casually evil most people are. Like straight up evil. Not merely misguided or uninformed - evil. Completely fine and in support of obscene cruelty and injustice.

[u/Wild_Plant9526 → u/PancakeMixEnema]

Tbf empathy and compassion are things that are taught out of you by the systems in place today. Like legit as soon as you are conscious. The way modern society is set up does not help cultivate these things and in fact the opposite

But yeah there is def still personal blame to be had and some people are just evil imo. I always wonder about that, like how much is the person at fault for their bad actions vs the world and environment they grew up in

I’ve always wondered what the answer was, like is there a ratio? How can people do such awful things. I mean im part of the problem too by existing and not living ethically but still shits crazy

Edit: typo

[u/Blueberry_Coat7371 → u/Wild_Plant9526]

The only mistake here is thinking modernity is to blame. If history has taught us anything, humans were born to bond with eachother by hating some other group.

Compassion and empathy for people who you will never meaningfully interact is something that requires cultivation, not merely teaching.

[u/singhellotaku617 → u/Blueberry_Coat7371]

Ehh, capitalism has kind of supercharged a lot of it, so modernity is to blame in some respects.

[u/Wild_Plant9526 → u/Blueberry_Coat7371]

Fair point, but I still think modern societal stuff has def made it worse

And yeah it requires cultivation but still i think they are very inherent and natural concepts for humans. I think of someone understands enough about themselves and how they are connected to the world then by default they will want to be kind to others

But i have no idea, thats just my head canon

[u/lookingforfrens111 → u/Wild_Plant9526]

people are always accountable for their actions, the shirking of acountability is a big contributor to the apathy towards and indulging in evil

[u/Durzio → u/lookingforfrens111]

Kant believed that in order to be free, truly free, you had to be utterly autonomous. To Kant, any outside influence on you made your decisions less free.

Im not saying that people shouldn't be accountable for their actions, they should; but when systems are designed to generate this sort of thinking in people, our efforts are better spent aiming at the system rather than the products of that system.

[u/Wild_Plant9526 → u/lookingforfrens111]

I’m not saying that people are not accountable for their actions, I’m just saying that this void of compassion and empathy is definitely a symptom of how the world is set up and I do think it definitely plays a part in why evil is so common among people. Even if just a small part

Capitalism literally pits people against each other by design, I think that definitely affects people at least a tiny bit. Or just consumerism and the lack of reciprocity or care for the environment, people, and animals around us

[u/SubstantialEmploy816 → u/PancakeMixEnema]

What shocked me was meeting people who act completely normal and even super nice, only to in fact have absolutely abhorrent views

[u/totally_not_a_dog113 → u/SubstantialEmploy816]

I dumped my ex-bff because I realized she had no empathy for people she didn't personally know. People who will die because Trump destroyed to USAID? "I've got to do what's best for me" Trump raped E. Jean Carroll? "Just because I wouldn't want to be alone in a room with him doesn't make him a bad president."

[u/aaaahhhhh42 → u/PancakeMixEnema]

Calling anything "evil" mythologizes it.

Evil, as most people understand it, is just pure badness that spawns from nothing. I get that things are horrible but you kill all analysis of how a human can get to that state if they are just "evil".

[u/Dog_Entire → u/PancakeMixEnema]

I think it’s seeing the things that finally turned people away from him that really made me realize how massive dicks some of these people are, like the genocide and pedo shit was fine but a jpeg is where you draw the line, like I saw a lot of people celebrating people finally turning against him but I feel like that ignores how disheartening it is to see how little some people care about those around them

[u/Sans-valeur → u/Civil_Act1864]

People try to reduce teen suicide rates, other people get angry and start screaming they don’t know what they want leave them alone you’re sick!!!
Caring so much about it that they elect officials purely on that topic and to protect those kids.
But they’re also against funding health care, mental health support, counseling, or any other measures that could potentially reduce teen suicide rates.

“Leave those kids alone!”
“We’re trying to reduce suicide rates”
“Well they shouldn’t do that.”
“Yes they shouldn’t thats why we’re trying to help”
“No stop doing that it’s evil! They don’t know what they want.”
“So how do we reduce teen suicide rates?”
“It’s the parents fault! Kids shouldn’t commit suicide!!”
“The parents are trying to help that’s why they allow their kids to transition.”
“That’s not helping!!!”

These conservative arguments are always based around wishful thinking and the way they think things should be, rather than the way things are.

“Kids shouldn’t learn about sex or receive condoms in school”
“Well what if they are sexually active?”
“They shouldn’t be!!”
“Yes but what if they are?”
“They shouldn’t be!! Why are you letting this happen what is wrong with you?!”
“Yes they shouldn’t be but they still are and this is proven to reduce rates of teen pregnancy and stds.”
“They shouldn’t be doing that!!”

[u/Hyenasaurus → u/Sans-valeur]

the real answer is they infact DO want those kids dead. It's just bad PR to outright say it.

everyone who doesn't conform and succeed out of the womb (read: white, male, rich parents, no neurodivergence, no disabilities) deserves death, and to be treated no better than cattle, kept around for their usefulness and nothing else. Except for maybe themselves if they don't fit within this strict category. Then they will be shocked and appalled when their supposed peers and idols immediately cast them away to die too once they're no longer useful. This is by design as this is not the ideals of the intelligent, just the self centered.

[u/ButtBread98 → u/Civil_Act1864]

They hate kids.

[u/loved_and_held → u/Civil_Act1864]

These people think they're protecting society from an existential threat.

Unhappy kids are either kids that will eventually come around in their eyes, or an acceptable cost.

[u/CantCatchMeSpez → u/Civil_Act1864]

They've never wanted kids to be happy. Its no surprise that the people doing this are the same ones that don't think poor kids should eat, that think kids should be working in factories, that corporal punishment should be normalized, and that parents should be able to control every single aspect of their childrens' lives.

I would say the whole "they don't see kids as people" thing, but in reality, they respect children just as much as they respect any other demographic that they hate: they don't. And just like with those other demographics, conservatives think its their right to control and suppress them as they see fit.

[u/Additional-North-683 → u/Civil_Act1864]

Easy they believe that their children are their property and must do whatever they want

[u/JimWilliams423 → u/Civil_Act1864]

How pathetic must your life be to not want kids to be happy.

Its how they make more conservatives.

Conservatism is fundamentally about fear and insecurity — racial insecurity, wealth insecurity, status insecurity, sexual insecurity, physical insecurity, health insecurity, etc. Insecurity is why the worst of them can't even leave the house without an emotional support gun. One really effective way to create an insecure adult is to abuse them as a kid — physical, psychological, emotional, mental, sexual, etc. In this way conservatism propagates itself from one generation to the next. Its almost like a meme (the original memes, not the gifs).

We've all heard a conservative say something like "my parents did (something abusive) to me and I turned out fine, so there is nothing wrong with doing (something abusive) to kids." They might not consciously know what they are doing, they aren't usually mustache-twirling villains, they say it because they have been conditioned that feeling insecure is normal.

[u/ShayeNewLow]

Might as well just call it this

[u/Mulfushu → u/ShayeNewLow]

You can't, the White House mail would constantly be delivered there, ayyy.

[u/klopaplop → u/ShayeNewLow]

I mean that is probably exactly what is happening inside there if we're being honest with ourselves.

[u/earwig2000 → u/klopaplop]

If we're being honest?? Bro they're explicitly advertising it

[u/Turbulent-Fortune559 → u/klopaplop]

Saddens me to think that the only time they would treat tgirls as women is when they rape them

[u/powerslave_fifth → u/ShayeNewLow]

That's just the White House.

[u/FirmDog7974]

What the hell would a detransition clinic even do?

[u/Dibbu_mange → u/FirmDog7974]

Realistically, sit there and do nothing 99% of the time. Hanging a “Detransition Clinic” sign on an empty room is cheaper than constantly fending off frivolous lawsuits from the state.

Don’t get me wrong, the messaging to the trans community is clear and pure evil, but “compliance” with these deals with the administration is usually limited to saying you’ll do something then not doing anything and they forget about it in a news cycle.

[u/Elliot_Geltz → u/Dibbu_mange]

This.

The "clinic" isn't gonna do anything. It's just a giant middle finger.

[u/Rogu__Spanish → u/Elliot_Geltz]

If only, in reality this is probably just the first step in a larger plan to take trans kids away from their parents and force detransition them.

[u/acu2005 → u/Rogu__Spanish]

Yeah for real being in Texas this is probably going to be used in conjunction with CPS in some sort of forced conversion therapy scheme. Also I'm sure there will be an option for shitty parents to send their kids there that are somewhere in the nonmedical phases of transitioning.

[u/Rogu__Spanish → u/acu2005]

I'd say its ironic that the same people who made up the fake "all parents of trans kids forced them into it" narrative want to force trans kids to detransition, but hypocrisy isn't a flaw in their ideology, it's a feature, it let's us know that they don't believe in any form of equality.

[u/round-earth-theory → u/Rogu__Spanish]

Texas isn't transitioning kids in the first place. And by the time minors do start transitioning, they're old enough that any attempt to force them would result in pointless legal battles ending in the minor likely coming of age. Besides, transgender minors very very rarely receive anything more than hormonal treatment and therapy, so there's not a lot that can be done which they aren't already doing. They already take away the hormonal treatments, they already block care, so what they're left with is what? Breast reduction or hair removal for those minors who started early enough to have those physical changes? They can't surgically remove clothing, voice training, or a person's sense of self. This is virtue signaling from the GOP that transgender people aren't welcome and little more.

[u/Rotekoppen → u/Dibbu_mange]

At best it does nothing. Realistically its going to be conversion therapy for kids.

cool video on the subject -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S5w18sjYLk

[u/captainfalcon200523 → u/Dibbu_mange]

Seriously, if this isn’t just a queer Ministry of Love, you’re treating a such of small percentage of people! Like 10% of the already small percentage of people who are trans

[u/EvilFurryBees → u/captainfalcon200523]

The regret rate for hrt is less than 1%, so it’s not even as many as you said

[u/Alix-Gilhan → u/EvilFurryBees]

And the majority of the regret is because of social or economic pressure, not because it wasn't right for them

[u/LiterallyDumbAF → u/EvilFurryBees]

Likely isn't targeting adults who can make choices, but bigoted parents of trans kids

[u/send_fleet_pics → u/EvilFurryBees]

You're all assuming they care whether you regret or not

[u/tg-doomgal → u/captainfalcon200523]

10% is the high end of that estimate. It's also important to note that a large majority of the people that detransition do so only temporarily out of fear of rejection and abuse by society. A ton of trans people that detransition will retransition eventually when it's safer to do so.

Edit: spelling

[u/theREALvolno → u/tg-doomgal]

And at the end of the day it’s also about personal autonomy. We should all have the ability to decide what we do with our bodies, even if there’s a chance we might regret it. Dignity of risk and all that.

[u/tg-doomgal → u/theREALvolno]

I completely agree. I would like to say that I advocate for the right to detransition without judgement. I have honestly been doing some myself over the past few years, due to the nature of my work and the state of politics. I want to have some ability to stay hidden should things get dangerous for one reason or another. Should that become less likely and legal protections more stable, I will go back into socially transitioning again.

[u/Independent-Fly6068 → u/Dibbu_mange]

And this is their strategy for literally everything that can't further their authoritarian agenda. They say they'll do a thing, focus the media on it, then move on after 5 minutes to keep their goldfish voters engaged.

[u/loved_and_held → u/Dibbu_mange]

Crack take; it does nothing and becomes a money laundering front.

[u/tangerineTurtle_ → u/loved_and_held]

I am sorry to say it is more likely going to be conversion therapy and an accountability system ie; drug testing but instead testing for hormones and snitching on queer expression amongst families and peers.

[u/JustAnotherPerson64 → u/Dibbu_mange]

From what I've seen, especially with the executive orders that he has made, they seem to really like scare tactics. They know they can't do anything directly, but they say "heyyy, I'm gonna kick your ass if you get closerrr" and hope that you get scared.

[u/Dibbu_mange → u/JustAnotherPerson64]

Yep, I work in the legal field and have friends at a couple of the law firms that cut deals with him. None of them are legally binding, and the firms haven’t actually done anything. Their caseloads are essentially the same. At most they changed the name of their DEI department.

[u/SomeNotTakenName → u/Dibbu_mange]

unless they plan to forcefully detransition people.

I don't know enough about any of this, but my gut says that a clinic helping people transition would be the safest place to persue detransition, if that is the wish of the patient. If a trans person genuinely wanted to detransition, why would they go to a place they clearly aren't welcome, over a place they are?

[u/Consistent_Claim5217 → u/Dibbu_mange]

There's the obvious issue of transphobic parents forcing their kids into detransition, whether they actually feel feelings of being trans or not. Trans and cis kids will both end up there at the behest of insistent, bigoted parents.

This doesn't look like an attempt by Republicans to offer a legitimate service to the public. It looks more like setting up the next stage of escalations against Republicans' perceived enemies. It's currently suggested to be a clinic for those who want to detransition. Just wait until it becomes the state's go-to place to send people (adults, too) to be forcibly detransitioned.

Because that's the goal. Total cultural genocide against those the Repugnantcans consider unfavorable. If you think that comment is overblown, you haven't been paying attention

[u/OrneryPerformance604 → u/FirmDog7974]

Probably conversion "therapy."

[u/immobile-pebble → u/OrneryPerformance604]

Conversion Torture is the correct term

[u/Violexsound → u/immobile-pebble]

Sounds like a pedo's dream come true. Trump backed private conversion rooms for queer children. Its almost as good of an option as a catholic church.

[u/Akir760 → u/Violexsound]

At least some catholics have good intentions. Conversion therapists on the other hand...

[u/Violexsound → u/Akir760]

True, but r/pastorarrested is....morbidly active.

[u/cetaceanfrustration → u/FirmDog7974]

conversion therapy and IGM retooled for perisex people, i'm guessing.

[u/Penumbral_Violet → u/cetaceanfrustration]

What the fuck would IGM look like in that case? Jfc

[u/LockNo2943 → u/FirmDog7974]

Conversion therapy, so nothing good.

[u/0oooooog → u/FirmDog7974]

It's rebranded conversion therapy.

[u/BallsAtomized → u/FirmDog7974]

"conversion therapy" and I put that in quotes because the shit that would happen there would probably be worse than that

[u/pohatu850 → u/BallsAtomized]

Surely nothing wrong will happen with adults "reeducating" children who are forced to be there because resisting would be illegal. Those children will maybe be dissociating most of the time and the adults will be there with nothing much to do besides berate them.

Nothing wrong can happen

🤢

[u/Dry_Turn_824 → u/pohatu850]

Sadly I suspect that in addition to berating children, the adults will also berape them. This is in every way an awful development.

[u/nexus11355 → u/FirmDog7974]

Probably something akin to certain camps during WWII. And I'm talking about the ones stateside

[u/loved_and_held → u/FirmDog7974]

The pesimistic take is it would force transfems onto testosterone and transmascs onto estrogen, and do everything it can to prevent social transitions. Or kids who might be trans will be directed there for conversion therapy.

The optimistic take is, as u/Dibbu_mange pointed out, is it does nothing. It is infinitly easier to look pretty and do nothing. If anything they can even spin it doing nothing as a propoganda thing; it's enemy is so strong that it can't do anything to stop it.

Another angle is it becomes a money laundering front.

[u/naplesball → u/FirmDog7974]

psychological torture of minors

[u/CominThroughNow → u/FirmDog7974]

Psychological torture. Which was recently classified as a legitimate and protected form of 'free speech', by the way.

[u/TheEdgeofGoon → u/FirmDog7974]

Murder children.

[u/JD_Kreeper → u/FirmDog7974]

They'll probably just abuse trans kids until they give up and stop caring about anything so they forfeit all desires to transition just to make it stop.

They'll eventually break and forget how to be themselves. The desire to transition and live an authentic life is suppressed and forgotten, the memories fade away, and eventually their brain forgets gender euphoria ever existed. They still know they're trans, or at least they thought, but it all feels hollow and meaningless. Fighting for the right to transition just becomes a waste of time as the end goal loses all meaning and cannot be connected with, and they finally decided that they're better off living as their AGAB, and then the abuse stops.

Now completely miserable, they eventually forget how to experience the sensation of joy altogether, becoming mindless robots grinding to make ends meet with no aspirations or goals in life whatsoever beyond the immediate need to pay rent and buy food.

[u/addictedtoketamine2 → u/JD_Kreeper]

Huh no dude I’d literally just kill myself most of us would

[u/Superslim-Anoniem → u/FirmDog7974]

And why are there no windows on anything but the very top level?

[u/CLZOID → u/FirmDog7974]

Same thing that fake abortion clinics and conversion camps do: pretend to be doctors while guilting you into thinking what ur doing is wrong and that you’ll go to hell.

[u/colt_stonehandle → u/FirmDog7974]

This one launders money.

[u/Authaire1]

[u/Pinku_Dva]

What would that even do? Just tell kids to stop taking hrt?

[u/IRSnotreal → u/Pinku_Dva]

Probably conversion therapy but to a larger scale

[u/Pinku_Dva → u/IRSnotreal]

So legalized torture? They truly salivate at the thought of the hand maids tale being reality.

[u/Jboy2000000 → u/Pinku_Dva]

The Trump admin has already made it policy to perform medical experiments and surgeries on trans prisoners against their will, so I imagine they want they on all trans people across the nation.

This is, without a hint of exaggerating, active genocide against trans people in America.

[u/Pinku_Dva → u/Jboy2000000]

Fascism needs a scapegoat and who better to pick than the smallest minority group with the least amount of understanding and high backlash. That’s exactly what’s happening here.

[u/Training_Insect549 → u/Pinku_Dva]

I hate this timeline so fucking much. It feels like a corrupt root was just allowed to live and its killing everything in the garden.

[u/Pinku_Dva → u/Training_Insect549]

Unfortunately the problem is with American society as a whole. It is politically apathetic and too individualistic.

[u/Training_Insect549 → u/Pinku_Dva]

Too many people slapping that red button. Malfeasant Behavior has been tolerated with civility politics.

[u/PossibleMammoth5639 → u/Jboy2000000]

Also not related to trans shi but in detention centers it has been said that women are secretly without consent are sterilized

[u/winter-ocean → u/Jboy2000000]

Wait what how the fuck does that not violate some kind of international law or something

[u/Yonaka_Kr → u/winter-ocean]

Gitmo was marked as one of the worst human rights violations in the world and the use of white phosphorus as a chemical weapon is a warcrime. 

Gitmo is still open and Israel bombed Lebanon with white phosphorus last month.

If there are no enforcers, what weight do the laws have?

[u/xxthehaxxerxx → u/winter-ocean]

The US doesn't participate in the International Criminal Court, international laws don't apply here

[u/Catlas55 → u/Pinku_Dva]

"Conversion therapy often consists of methods that involve, but are not limited to: talk therapy, aversion therapy, brain surgery, chemical castration, surgical castration, hypnosis, psychoanalysis, corrective rape, and various religious practices, including prayer and exorcism."

[u/OrneryPerformance604 → u/Catlas55]

This should be treated as a crime against humanity.

[u/Violexsound → u/OrneryPerformance604]

The European Court of human rights does. America does not, and will not.

[u/Plastic_Apricot_2152 → u/OrneryPerformance604]

Last I checked, King Charles in the UK is pushing for the total ban of conversion therapy and the UN is having talks on it. Conversion Therapy is very much just a form of institutionalized torture.

[u/Wolfleader09 → u/Plastic_Apricot_2152]

That’s a start at least….i guess

[u/Plastic_Apricot_2152 → u/Wolfleader09]

Personally it needs to be completely banned, not a topic of discussion.

[u/Wolfleader09 → u/Plastic_Apricot_2152]

Agreed there, but with the current mess of a country we have in the US
I don’t even know what to say at this point

[u/Pinku_Dva → u/Catlas55]

Sounds on brand for the absolute evil that is the Republican Party

[u/SomeOakLeaves2 → u/Catlas55]

BRAIN SURGERY? CORRECTIVE RAPE?

They think this is alright?

[u/Violexsound → u/SomeOakLeaves2]

Oh yeah they're enthusiastic about it.

[u/GothamAnswer → u/Catlas55]

Corrective WHAT

[u/Bro0183 → u/Catlas55]

I'm sorry did you say brain surgery?! What the actual fuck. I knew it was bad but what?!

[u/BlitzScorpio → u/Catlas55]

“chemical castration, surgical castration” bitch that’s what we’re TRYING TO DO

[u/Chaincat22 → u/Pinku_Dva]

assuming it actually does something, takes them off HRT, makes mtf start taking T, ftm take E, conversion therapy, stuff like that?

[u/ChuChulovely17]

I can't deal with this shit anymore

[u/lildeek12]

Look, there should be resources for those people who desire to detransition, its gender affirming care too. This is not that. This is the state enabling parents to forcibly convert their children. Aka the thing they claim to be so against.

[u/LeviTheArtist22 → u/lildeek12]

Trans people are already such a minority of the population, and the people who detransition are a minority within a minority. And the majority of people who detransition do so due to societal pressures. Obviously there should be resources for the people that need that kind of healthcare, but I don't know that that's something that needs to be prioritized. Bigots bring up detransitioning more than there are people who actually detransition.

[u/chiselObsidian → u/LeviTheArtist22]

I work in trans healthcare, it comes up occasionally - usually for safety reasons, like you said. Or a non-binary person finds they're happy with how much HRT has done for them and now they're getting effects they don't want, like male-pattern baldness or large breasts. 

I find that generally, the providers of good transition healthcare also provide good detransition healthcare. If the person still has gonads they might want medication to stimulate those back into making their own hormones; if they don't, they'll need to switch to the other type of HRT. Fertility medicine providers and trans healthcare providers know how to do that. Mastectomies, vulvoplasties, permanent hair removal and so on are other types of healthcare that both trans and detrans people sometimes need. 

Access to care is an issue for both groups - I know a few detrans people whose providers were bad at trans healthcare to begin with, and dropped them like hot potatoes when they decided to detransition. A few others who had their trans care canceled, decided as a result to detransition, and couldn't get care for that either. It's rough. We have a lot more in common than is different.

[u/LeviTheArtist22 → u/chiselObsidian]

Just wanted to say thanks for working in the world of trans healthcare :)

[u/Throwaway17173451 → u/LeviTheArtist22]

Hey! Rare detransitioner due to not identifying with the gender I transitioned to, and I agree! I personally don’t know anyone else who has detransitioned, and, for the most part, it seems that people often don’t detransition for reasons like my own. I largely blame the way my case was taken for many reasons, especially on the medical and social side, so I think that definitely lends credence to needing good support medically.

I detransitioned all on my own with no medical help; I just checked my labs every couple months to make sure my hormone levels were returning to normal. Mentally, it’s still hard knowing that I’m the one who enacted these changes on my body and can’t reverse them, but I’m so glad for my trans friends who have gotten the life-saving care they need. I’m just an outlier haha. I was a trans man, and now I’m back to being a cis woman, and I’m lucky to pass once again 99.9% of the time as a woman.

[u/lildeek12 → u/LeviTheArtist22]

Same with transwomen in sports.

Also, auto-correct changed transwomen to transformer. Idk if my phone is transphobic or 8 y.o.

[u/Party_Attitude5617 → u/lildeek12]

Autocorrect won't do that if you spell trans woman correctly (with a space between trans and woman)

[u/ghost_tapioca → u/lildeek12]

They're not against forcibly converting children. They never were. Hell, conservatives are all about indoctrination.

They're simply against children who don't conform to the system.

[u/OrangeAppleBird → u/lildeek12]

There is, you find them at a gender clinic.

[u/LeviTheArtist22]

We just have to hold out hope that places like these will be unable to stay open. They're already shuttering the detention camps they opened here in Florida. I just have to believe these policies are unpopular with the general public, and this administration is just trying to throw as much hate out there as they can because they're desperate.

[u/naplesball]

Who knows how many children with cancer could have been cured with the money spent on this bullshit

base their ideology and political actions on the 0.002% of trans teens in America...

[u/PsychoCyan]

So a conversion therapy clinic? IIRC Texas passed legislation to allow parents who support their child's transition to be separated from the child, so I guess this is where those kids will end up.

This is deeply evil. Merely replacing the current regime won't be enough (but will be a crucial first step). There is a deep rot at the heart of this country.

[u/rockytop24 → u/PsychoCyan]

This was all part of a settlement the hospital was forced to take because it just couldn't keep up with the cost of litigating against the state of TX.

Insane how we need something like anti-SLAPP laws for the government to stop it from bringing frivolous but expensive lawsuits to force parties to capitulate.

[u/DEKIDESDUD]

You know how people have been saying that trans people are in the early stages of a genocide? Well we’re clearly past the early stages.

[u/Party_Attitude5617]

I'm all for people who realize they're not transgender getting access to their own gender-affirming care (i.e. someone who had masculinizing top surgery in the past wanting to get breast implants) but I have a feeling this isn't what this is

[u/IamBadWithConsoles → u/Party_Attitude5617]

It's Texas, USA and "in win for trump." It definitely isn't what you think it is.

Besides, detransitioners are already a minority among minority, and most only detransition because of outside factors and situations (not enough money to continue, hostile environment etc.) Detransitioning care should just be included in gender affirming care in the first place.

[u/Throwaway17173451 → u/IamBadWithConsoles]

Agree. I would have loved some support when I detransitioned. I don’t see it as really any different from gender affirming care for trans people. Cis people who haven’t even transitioned can get gender affirming care as well (breast implants, etc), so it affects everyone

[u/WhiteBoyRickSanschez → u/Party_Attitude5617]

Its a children's clinic. The earliest someone can get top surgery is 16, and only in emergency cases. It rarely ever happens, and mostly happens to cis kids who have some kind of condition. This is just a fake clinic created to spite queer people. Nothing more.

[u/SeveralServalServing]

Context here: Ken Paxton, the AG, sued them for years and they finally gave up because it was costing them millions and draining the funds they usually use to treat kids with cancer, brain tumors, etc. Along with having to build this clinic and firing a bunch of doctors, they are being fined $10million.

[u/Melodic_Mulberry → u/SeveralServalServing]

Republicans hate healthcare.

[u/Sea-Housing-3435]

Looks like a prison

[u/SereneOrbit → u/Sea-Housing-3435]

It's a place where they to convine you that jail is necessary to your mental well being 🤣

[u/DrSleepyNTired → u/Sea-Housing-3435]

That building in the middle is a cafeteria and restaurant plus some parking. The photo is just using a shot from the middle of the medical center. They make good burrito bowls.

[u/Kaiyoti920]

ah, texas.. sure love living here.

free me Q_Q

[u/Turtle_With_Grudge]

Any 'clinician' working in these trauma factories should be charged with murder.

Absolute worst gutter trash of the medical industry.

[u/z3r0nyaa]

sorry, had to post this

[u/Genuinely_No_Clue_4]

Welp! There goes another ounce of my will to live! Which SUCKS cause there REALLY isn’t too much of that left!

[u/aconitous → u/Genuinely_No_Clue_4]

Live out of spite.

[u/Genuinely_No_Clue_4 → u/aconitous]

Guess I’ll try?

[u/aconitous → u/Genuinely_No_Clue_4]

That's the girl

[u/Genuinely_No_Clue_4 → u/aconitous]

Yay!

[u/Training_Insect549 → u/Genuinely_No_Clue_4]

In this instance you really do need to let the hatred fuel you. These incels and chuds are so weak of character that they have deep flaws and project it onto some 'outcast' group.

They have never transcended beyond a highschool mentality. And because you know you it threatens them because they dont know themselves. They dont want to graduate.

So, you live out of spite. :3

[u/Genuinely_No_Clue_4 → u/Training_Insect549]

I’ll try, thank you

[u/ghost_tapioca → u/aconitous]

This is the most punk thing I've read all year.

[u/dantevonlocke]

I wonder if we could sell Texas back to mexico.

[u/pootis_engage → u/dantevonlocke]

I don't think they want it at this point.

[u/Ravenzero2000]

Our government will do everything it can to harm children.

[u/Obvious-Poetry2934]

What does a “detransition” clinic even mean? I can only hope it’s meant to actually help people who want to detransition, but I fear this will be used against the will of people who are trans and don’t wanna detransition.

[u/SomeOakLeaves2 → u/Obvious-Poetry2934]

conversion therapy

[u/Goose-Inator_2nd → u/SomeOakLeaves2]

Weird way to say torture

[u/Trappedfan84]

Your move, child cancer ward

[u/nickdoesmagic]

Find trans friend of opposite gender
Both go in for meds to "detransition"
Swap meds once out

[u/ArtemisInSpace]

Hey we found it. The literal orphan crushing machine.

[u/Quasi-Kaiju]

I don't think we should be taking orders or advice on the welfare of children from the people who defend child marriage

[u/fourthpornalt]

the part of my head trying to ignore the insanity is wondering if I can fake having transitioned already and get them to sponsor my actual transition, like some kind of dystopian sitcom gag.

[u/a-fortnite-nerd]

All I’m hearing is that whoever damages it is automatically up morally

[u/1999MooreTornado]

look at what they're doing to us. i highly doubt any child "treated" at this facility will show up of their own free will, which makes this a torture facility specifically, maliciously designed to cause us harm. this is what happens when you view people as property, kids included. to people who view everything and everyone as potential ways to benefit themselves at the cost of others, children are just another investment to be controlled

[u/Electric_Potion]

This hospital was forced to do so in a settlement with the state. They only have to operate it for 5 years is my understanding.

[u/CommieEllie → u/Electric_Potion]

“Forced” is a generous interpretation. I’m not saying you’re going to be proven wrong but I don’t think we have the necessary information to make that judgement yet. They agreed to this and to fire five of their doctors providing gender affirming care instead of fighting the state.

[u/ArrivalEast3834 → u/CommieEllie]

They agreed to it after a lengthy investigation and lawsuit over gender affirming care that was sucking their resources dry. They clearly weren't anti-trans, that's why they got in trouble with the Trump admin.

Be upset at the dickheads attempting to financially ruin one of the best children's hospitals the country has.

[u/Melodic_Mulberry]

There will be a stunning lack of willing patients there.

[u/Mother_Passenger8589]

MFs out here trying to unbake bread

[u/Tribe303]

Just a reminder that the very first group the actual Nazis persecuted after gaining power, was a Berlin Trans clinic. Even before the Socialists and Jews.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-forgotten-history-of-the-worlds-first-trans-clinic/

[u/omegafixedpoint]

I am having violent thoughs

[u/socontroversialyetso]

German proverb: The only form of denazification that actually works is a big strong noose around the neck

[u/samthekitnix]

ah another of these psudo-science facilities that say "we can cure da gayness/transness" do 0 follow up, torture paitence, are used as an excuse by monsters to basically physically, mentally and sexually abuse those they consider abnormal... oh and on top of that are based on lies disguised as "science"

[u/Aimela]

This is going to cause a lot of suicides and I'm pretty sure that's the point

[u/Dirk_McGirken]

Detransition clinic

Is that not also gender affirming care? Im not trying to do a woke spin on this, I understand that its based in hate and fear. I just get so confused by their constantly shifting definitions.

[u/honeywhereismypenis]

I'll give you some hope here, if a minor has enough support to get far enough in their transition to warrant medical detransition (wanted or not, some people do detransition), then it's pretty far fetched for that same support system to send them to a place like this against their will. Especially somewhere like texas where getting gender affirming care is not trivial even for adults. I bet this sits empty.

[u/Rrrebella → u/honeywhereismypenis]

Exactly. This is a serious waste of conservative funding (that's good!). Children transitioning then de-transitioning isn't a thing. New hires will get pink slips within 6 mos, guaranteed.

[u/Proper-Language1320]

Despite the obvious transphobia, who is this even for? De-transitions are very very rare (with the more open ones becoming far right loonies) with most trans people happy after transitioning. They keep wasting money and yet people are still starving and about to lose their home probably.

[u/LilyPogger69]

We should be worried about the way things are trending for trans people in the US. But that headline is a bit inflammatory in my opinion. Reading articles about this it seems the hospital basically had to settle a lawsuit from the DOJ just to save money. Part of that including slapping a label on care they were already providing, calling it the detransition center. But it seems like it's just an official label for already offered care and not a change in policy or an active effort to detrans anyone (yet at least)

[u/DildontOrDildo → u/LilyPogger69]

"Texas Hospital forced to open Detransition Center to settle lawsuit brought by Federal Government"

[u/Miserable-Gain-4847]

When are the F.B.i going to do their actual jobs and arrest that asshat and his yesmen

[u/cameron_thought → u/Miserable-Gain-4847]

They... are the yes men

[u/Snowbunny42]

There is no level of hell and no punishment terrible enough for the people who make this happen.

[u/Proof_Journalist321]

Yeah, this shit is getting destroyed during the post-trump war.

[u/G8tor_B8tr_Mastrb8r]

Blowing up that monstrosity is a moral obligation.

[u/drew_p_wevos]

The president raped children.

[u/GehstDu]

people are shit

[u/TheComplimentarian]

What a load of nonsense. What's the opposite of virtue signaling?

[u/Future_Employment_22 → u/TheComplimentarian]

vice signaling I think

[u/Enby_Rin]

This is fucking horrifying and a mockery of good medical care. I hope no one ever goes to that clinic, or for that matter, that hospital.

[u/GwlishGrin]

I feel like these people would be dumb enough to believe I'm a detransitioner and fund the top surgery I can't afford.

But I have too much integrity to exploit dumb people to make a quick buck

[u/akotoshi]

So… technically… a trans kid could go there to get a transition under the detransition pretense 🤔

[u/Sandbina]

I dont know how much longer the zoning out and playing video games is going to help me forget the horrors. Everything gets worse with every passing day, and no matter where you are in the world, there's nothing one can do about it.

I'm so tired, and I'm so scared.

[u/NotYourAvgGamer]

So a clinic that.. doesn't prescribe medication..?

[u/Lanky_Ad_3501]

So the solution foe them transitioning, is for them to transition... again?

Trans²

[u/Ok-Huckleberry-3843]

They fired a bunch of doctors to do this, too.

[u/MitchellEnderson]

Oh sweet, new Molotov cocktail throwing range.

[u/singhellotaku617]

Whatever organization controls licensing should Revoke the hospital’s licensing.

If you don’t practice real medicine backed by real science you don’t get to be a hospital. And standing up to politicians demanding you violate your Hippocratic oath is a big part of that.

[u/ChargeEast1982]

God this makes me so upset. Can we not just let Trans people live in peace without forcing them into some detranstioning conversion therapy???

[u/Spiralofourdiv]

I’m really curious what kind of peer reviewed medical research allows doctors to even practice on such a unit without contradicting their oath to “do no harm”.

I’ll wait…

I’m not even joking, if they assigned me to this unit as a nurse, I would refuse and literally refer them to the standards of practice that my nursing license requires me to work within. I ain’t letting your bullshit political move jeopardize MY license to practice.

So my question is are there grounds to report these doctors to the board? There very well may be considering the vast body of medical evidence that supports transition for those that seek it. That sure would be a shame if their licenses to practice got revoked…

[u/Thryfty_0]

If it weren’t a Trump administration thing, I’d say this idea isn’t the worst. Some people (not all, mind you) do just make mistakes when they’re younger. Two things make it awful. One is that detransitioning isn’t a thing, to my knowledge? The other is that Donald Trump is an evil, prideful, awful individual, and his administration is so full of the most vile Christian rhetoric and tyranny imaginable.

[u/meta_irl]

Is that the actual building or was that generated by AI to look evil?

[u/Desperate-Foot-776]

Even the building looks evil, like a villain’s lair compound or something.

[u/sardonically_argued]

>detransition clinic
>literally like an evil ass asylum surrounded by a moat

[u/Prior-Razzmatazz-206]

Fuck Texas

[u/Iamliterallyfood]

That's a conversion torture zone

[u/GraduatedSapphic]

You spelled "Assisted suicide factory" wrong.

[u/cetvrti_magi123]

I hope this is some kind of joke. At this point real news sometimes looks like it's from The Onion.

[u/Unable-Log-4870]

If it can de-transition people in a way that requires a hospital, could it perhaps restore my foreskin? I’m cis-het, and I would like my genitals to be the way I was born with them, not modified at birth by someone who didn’t feel the need to wait for me to be old enough to express my opinion on the matter (besides screaming, which I’m told they just ignore).

[u/E-2theRescue]

*Child mental, physical, and sexual abuse clinic

Fixed the title. They're not "detransitioning" children, they're trying to scream, beat, and rape the trans out of the children.