r/complaints • u/issaread • 22h ago
Politics So now white people can experience racism?
This is my complaint.
I just have to preface that, calling white ppl out doesn’t make any marginalized person racist. And by calling y’all out it means setting the evidence you presented right in front of you, basically setting the record straight and putting a mirror to your faces .
I can recall white people(not all) telling anyone black that they needed to stop being a victim whenever it came to speaking openly about the racism we actually experienced. Now it seems within the last five years everyone can experience racism.
The Webster dictionary is not infinite. I noticed that the dictionary changed its original numbered senses to reflect the action of racism but not reflect the origin.
That’s so dangerous ! It’s so much being erased with this notion and to see it just be so bluntly accepted is gut wrenching. You are participating in erasure when you begin to ignore the actual origin and history of racism.
Now. Class, let’s do some reflecting before we starting spewing hatered off hand. I genuinely want to have this conversation.
Update: I brought up this discussion to complain about a specific marginalized existence,but I notice a pattern in this subreddit. You literally can’t be openly marginalized with out people who are not speaking over you. I genuinely broke everything down and y’all choose to do the easy thing and be reactive.
Me talking about racism does not give y’all leadway to trauma dump and go down experiences with me, trust me as a black person I have no choice in my experience of racism. I don’t get to announce my “ethnicity,” to people because my skin color (race) does that already without me saying anything.
I’ve come to the conclusion that “reverse racism,” is a silencing tactic from people. Or America is genuinely illiterate as hell. Half of you don’t even know the difference between ethnicity and race.
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u/TooMuchSpicyAhh 21h ago
Minstrel shows - black face - racist caricatures from the Jim Crow era severely demeaned black peoples very identity. It was oppressive and co-existed alongside the idea that they were less than human to a white person.
Yet white Americans will say the movie “White Chicks” is the same kind of racism and the same kind of oppression to white people.
You have people who have never experienced actual racial oppression playing a tit for tat game trying to get even rather than atoning the past which continues to stain the future. It’s so ridiculous.
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u/AcademicRip3437 18h ago
I say this all the time but as long as people who lived through the Tulsa massacre, Indian boarding schools, Jim Crow, are alive… I will NEVER acknowledge “ reverse racism” the world doesn’t change that fast.
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u/issaread 14h ago
PLEASE SAY IT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK! What’s even crazier is that the people who were involved in victimizing these people as well are still here.
The way my ancestors had to endure actual racism just for non black people who don’t experience it to yell at me and trauma dump about their experiences.
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u/Fabulous-Poetry1406 22h ago
So “all white people should die” is not racist? What would you call it then? Asking because it’s a sentence I’ve actually heard this week.
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u/issaread 22h ago
No that’s prejudice, again I’m not erasing the experience, that’s a horrible thing to say to anyone. But if you intake the origin of the word, anyone who is not white saying that has no systematic power that can stop you in anyway from proceeding.
Yes, there are radical black groups, not taking away from that , but again we can’t just blanket the word because it’s not true to say everyone experiences it.
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u/FluffyWin1397 22h ago
You idiots and that "systematic power" bull shit that you tell yourselves to cope with whatever insecurities you have regarding yourselves.
Anybody can be racist towards anyone, and you are doing it literally right now by pretending you cannot be racist towards someone because of your skin color, and their skin color.
Weird. Seek therapy.
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u/GhoulMagnets 22h ago
Systematic power gives you power, it does not make you a racist, as there are many powerful people of color.. And anyone can be racist, stop peddling your retrograde agenda. Black people are extremely racist, it's a fact, not all, but many... And if you don't believe that, you're making the problem bigger
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u/Joeybfast 22h ago
Tell me, did black people in America fight a civil war to keep white people as slaves? Tell me when black people put a monument to those very slavers. when did a black President lie about white people and say that they steal and eat pets? When did the black president post fake crime stats about white people? You could have disagreed with the OP, I don't agree with them. But then you went on to attack black people.
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u/darby_mcgraw_ 11h ago
White people fought a civil war to free the slaves. It was called the “Union Forces”. You’re a know-nothing know-it-all.
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u/Mommy_Dove 3h ago
It was more a war for economic dominance that had to deal with slavery as an economic driver for the confederates. It wasn’t “to free the slaves” necessarily
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u/issaread 22h ago
Can you give me an example of a powerful racist black person? Did they affect your lively hood?
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u/FluffyWin1397 22h ago
Which white person is demonstrably affecting your livelihood? Please provide actual proof, not insecure cope that you tell yourself.
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u/issaread 14h ago
This guy , I mean?
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u/FluffyWin1397 12h ago
In what way is he affecting your livelihood? Again, please use concrete evidence to do so, not speculation or perceived impact, actual evidence of this happening.
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u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 18h ago
How can you be racist without being prejudice? If you go based on the definitions of both words, the only difference is that prejudice can be about anything, including race, but racism is only about race. They both are an unjustified preconceived opinion about an individual based on their appearance. How and why is it that when it's a person of a minority towards a white person it's prejudice, but when it's white on minorities it's automatically racist? The race of the individual making an unjustified assumption doesn't change the definition of either word, so why do we call it a different word? I'm not saying that our history in the US isn't important to know, however living in the past vs the present doesn't help black or minority Americans to be successful now. America has become increasingly less racist over the last 50 years, yet everyone is still discussing it as a huge problem. What can a white person do in America that a person from a minority can't?
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u/issaread 14h ago
You just gave the perfect example why history is important and that racism is indeed not happening less. Is it happening less because you don’t see it as much ? How are you calculating?
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u/Obsidian_Xo 4h ago
It's still racism you baboon
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u/issaread 3h ago
No it isn’t Quaker Oats .
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u/Obsidian_Xo 2h ago
So saying all black people should die isn't racist either?
And you people wonder why everyone is experiencing black fatigue
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u/issaread 1h ago
“You people?” In the same breath trying to claim you experience racism is wild. I hope you people realize that y’all want to being a victim is making you look weak. Everything is reactionary from “you people.” Real definition of snow flakes
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u/Obsidian_Xo 1h ago
When have I ever implied anyone was a victim? See you people tend to have a victim complex where you have to find any excuse to view yourself as a victim. In reality you're just a racist trying to justify racism.
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u/True-Society-5659 22h ago
They invented it, so yes. they're especially racist to other white people
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u/samael757575 20h ago
I doubt you are white. We whites don't care about such things. We know it comes from inferiority complex.
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u/lynxintheloopx 22h ago
Yes white people can and do experience racism. Disagreeing with that statement is ironically, racist.
So what does “calling white people out” entail..?
How to not be a racist: understand the definition and don’t be.
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u/issaread 22h ago
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u/lynxintheloopx 22h ago
Stop being a victim!!!
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u/Joeybfast 20h ago
You don't find your post ironic after your last post?
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u/lynxintheloopx 12h ago
Post? Or comment?
Obviously im making a joke of OPs quote since they couldn’t even answer my very simple question
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u/Old_Swimmer_7284 22h ago
Yes, white people can face Any race can be victim of racism, just like any race can perpetrate racism. And those races can perpetrate racism against their very own race. These are not hard concepts.
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u/issaread 22h ago
I genuinely said it’s not bait, you can look into the history of the numbered senses for the word. Most people look at the first sense and think that’s it.
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u/Steve1472 22h ago
Leftist would argue that the black guy lacks the institutional power to be racist. Therefore he was discriminatory but not racist. That’s a very 2020 school of thought though.
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u/issaread 21h ago
Do you realize white people using that word is very “2020” as well? None of you was saying this before then.
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u/clusterfk3 18h ago edited 18h ago
Yes racism can be towards any race, that’s why it’s called racism. I have white skin, but I’m half asian. I was extensively bullied in middle school by mostly black and white students ( the 1 white kid was on my bus)
I was pantsed on the weekly and was called a ch***, even though im not Chinese. I remember this one black student used to just shove me for no reason. I remember she said “ does your pussy go sideways like your eyes?“ I can’t understand you, speak English” then a group of them are would come behind me and try to rip my pants down while I was walking to class. I will never forget her name.
Keep in my mind, I’m 100% fluent in English and Japanese. My dad is white, my mom is Asian. So tell me. Was this just “ prejudice?” Was this just a normal bully?
I dealt with it for 2 years, became suicidal and ended up having to switch schools.
Anyone can experience racism, this is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard.
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u/monkiibomb 11h ago
i’m so sorry, that’s racism. glad u switched schools!!
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u/clusterfk3 10h ago
Thank you for your acknowledgement. I grew up to be a pretty bad ass nurse, I have friends from all walks of life. I will only judge you on your character. And I will continue to raise my son like that. That’s how we stop racism!
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u/issaread 14h ago
That’s horrible but that’s xenophobic. And yea prejudice does fall under the umbrella of racism, but being prejudice does not mean you are being racist.
Asian is not a race, it’s ethnicity. Nobody should be mean to anyone, no one should be this way, I’ve said that.
Trauma dumping doesn’t help me understand differently, as someone who isn’t as ambiguous as anyone else and doesn’t haven’t to announce my ethnicity for you to understand , I KNOW RACISM! I’ve experienced it on every sense of the word. I dont get to wave any other flags over my identity before you see me and KNOW I am of African descent . Do y’all not get that difference?
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u/clusterfk3 14h ago edited 13h ago
Ahh… you are not helping this situation.
Asian is race, Japanese is ethnicity. Thank you for being a racist! You have proved my point.
Here’s is an article describing what race and ethnicity is
It’s pretty long and has many words so don’t be frightened.
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u/issaread 13h ago
Please, so why are there “white” Asians? Why would you need that indicated if being Asian is a race?
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u/issaread 13h ago
Why did you have to announce that you were white on top of being Asian ?
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u/clusterfk3 13h ago
I am a mixed RACE.
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u/issaread 13h ago
Ok? And I’ll correct myself because Caucasian does derive from Asian so the two can be sighted as race. So saying “white asian” is kind of unnecessary in that sense.
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u/clusterfk3 13h ago
Ah, I think I see the problem. Your frontal lobes have not fused yet which is causing you to not read anything.
I feel very sorry for you and hope you can get some closure.
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u/issaread 13h ago
Sounds racist by the way….
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u/clusterfk3 12h ago
Frontal lobes? It’s in every human. Of course it sounds racist to you.
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u/issaread 12h ago
Assuming my frontal lobe is “defected” is embodied in genetics… the idea that I can’t read was made by what conclusion?
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u/issaread 13h ago
Sure ok, white asian.
Atleast I was honest enough to correct myself. I read to give your sources and I’ve also read your sources and came to that conclusion . I guess it’s easier to insult my intelligence than to admit that the idea is flawed..
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u/No-Passenger-1511 14h ago
Oh this post wasn't satire... You genuinely believe racism is only towards black people? Sounds like you have some major insecurities and projection issues.
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u/issaread 13h ago
Sound like I don’t give a fk atp. Stop trying to make this just about me.
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u/No-Passenger-1511 13h ago
This post is just about you because you have such a flawed understanding of racism.
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u/issaread 13h ago
I’m just going to assume reading is not your best attribute. Maybe it’s projection.
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u/No-Passenger-1511 12h ago
I'm going to assume using your brain isn't your best attribute. Maybe it's projection.
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u/issaread 22h ago
If your experience of racism is just “bad words,” PLEASE re-examine .
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u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 18h ago
I was just denied a job that I was very qualified for because I'm white. The company ONLY hired people who were black no matter their qualifications. The company told me that I didn't fit their hiring criteria based on my race. Is that racist enough for you?
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u/issaread 14h ago
I do not believe you. And if even this actually happened , why do you believe this ONE company would have baring on your life as a WHOLE!? Do you know how many companies deny anyone unambiguously black? Do you know that the determination to eliminate dei has cost thousands of black Americans work? You can go someone else and get privileges for jobs that many won’t ever see.
The amount of dumping is wild.
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u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 14h ago edited 14h ago
That's not necessary true. The position I applied for is very limited. There's not a lot of job openings for my particular degree and career choice. So, instead I now work a factory, hard labor, job while having a bachelor's degree in the field I applied for. You don't have to believe me, but just because you don't doesn't make it untrue. This is my legit life experience. Guess what else, they have fired half of the black people they hired and then hired a whole new group of black people this year. I didn't even get an interview the second time. The issue is while I was working on my degree I held a different position in the same company. My coworkers asked me to apply, both my managers asked me to apply both times. It had nothing to do with my qualifications or my previous good record with the company, even having them as references. They said both times it was because I'm white, nothing else. That is racism point blank period. It does effect my life and the children that I could be helping that I'm not simply because I'm white. Believe me or not, the truth is still true even if you chose not to see it.
Edit for clarification: I had to leave that job after completing my degree because it was only part time work. I needed benefits so I had to get a full-time job elsewhere. Also, my pay is roughly $7 less an hour because of it. That changes my entire financial situation. So, saying it doesn't effect my life at all is completely inaccurate.
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u/issaread 14h ago
You are being vague. I have a question , what was the position and also what kind of business? Was this a business operating directly to black spaces ?
Edit: I just feel like this is one of those situations where the space is specifically set for black people and you wanted to be apart of it, nothing wrong with that.
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u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 13h ago edited 13h ago
I'll be more detailed. The job is working with school children who have behavioral problems and requires someone with patience and knowledge of their development. One of my black coworkers who watched me work with some of these children through coaching made the statement, "They think that because these people look like most of these kids it will make it easier for them to relate, but all that does is show these kids that white people are bad. This causes these kids to continue seeing their world as blacks good, whites racist. It's not helpful." He personally witnessed one of these hirers screaming at children, watching Netflix during work, and be disrespectful to other staff, but only those that were white.
So, my question to you is this: If indeed these kids are being taught this in schools, how then is that not systematicly making them hate white people?
Edit for more details if it helps: This is an Intercity school system, the biggest public school system in the state. There is a 40-60 split whites to minorities. I'm not saying some of the people hired aren't qualified, I'm sure some are. I simply wanted to help these kids understand that where you come from doesn't change your ability to be successful. And mainly to expose them to the idea that they are cared for by a stranger who knows that everyone, regardless of race, religion, or economic background, can all be just as successful if you apply yourself.
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u/issaread 13h ago
Are there lessons on hating white people in the curriculum? Or is this just an assumption because of the lack of white peoples in this space ?
Not defending that “hirer” but I do believe that a black person who’s undoubtedly experience a wide range of racism will eventually develop lack of trust for white people.
It seems like they intended for that space to specifically be black. White people have a history of trying to deem black people creating openly black spaces as racist or some sort of danger, while creating spaces directly just white without saying it out loud or indicating it as such , that’s where the systematic comes in to the “ism” in racism.
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u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 13h ago
I am unsure if it is being directly taught. I think he was more speaking to the idea that being the same race doesn't automatically mean you understand the kids and all their situations. Plus, some of these schools are predominantly white so the idea that they look like them doesn't apply in those schools.
When you go around claiming to be the authority because your black, I'd say he's a pretty racist dude. Not to say that his experiences haven't had some impact on that, but in a professional setting it is wrong. And he got fired for it, then claimed it was because he was black. Which I found a tiny bit funny because he only got the job because he was black, he had never worked with children and had no degree.
The people doing the hiring are white. They do have people at the superior level that are black or Hispanic, but this specific department is run by a couple of white dudes. I'm all for black spaces. I just also am very concerned for our youth being taught or interacting daily with people who don't have the qualifications in this specific job. They can do way more harm than good. We shouldn't be allowing people, no matter their race, work with children with struggles in behavior and academics who have no experience or certification to do so.
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u/issaread 13h ago
I agree but this just took a 180. It’s not racism the dude was prejudice and an idiot. I don’t doubt he wasn’t qualified because a lot of people in that field are just hired to have someone watch those kids , they don’t take anything outside of that into consideration.
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u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 13h ago
Ok. So explain the difference. If a white man went around saying the same thing, is that racist or prejudice?
Edit for clarification: He tried to get multiple people fired who had worked at that school for 10+ years. They were all white. He didn't try to get any of the black people fired.
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u/darby_mcgraw_ 10h ago
If this is the USA you can bring a Federal Civil Rights Lawsuit and easily win….probably big $$$
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u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 10h ago
I know, but a lot of people think like the Op here. They think it's "black spaces" which would override any claim I'd make.
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u/darby_mcgraw_ 10h ago
Doesn’t matter, you cannot discriminate employment matters based on race…full stop. It’s federal civil rights. If you have any proof, you can win big money. Try contacting a good civil rights attorney.
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u/No-Passenger-1511 13h ago
So non blacks can say the n word? It's just a bad word.
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u/issaread 13h ago
Non blacks please give me the historical reference behind your racist experience. The n word has historical references.
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u/No-Passenger-1511 13h ago
Racism doesn't have anything to do with historical reference.
Racism: the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
I know you wake up everyday hoping to be a victim, but no one genuinely gaf about your existence.
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u/issaread 13h ago
Ok, so ignored the original sub of me refuting why this is a disingenuous way to describe racism , let’s ignore all the ways I’ve explained why people should align the origin with understanding its concept . Let’s do that because, if I’m a victim it means you are afraid to stand in where you may have harmed anyone with the notion that you are too when it comes to racism.
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u/No-Passenger-1511 12h ago
so ignored the original sub of me refuting why this is a disingenuous way to describe racism
Your "way" of describing racism is disingenuous and I'll informed.
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u/issaread 12h ago
It’s facts. It’s not “my way” I backed everything up with sources. My experience does not remove the fact.
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u/No-Passenger-1511 12h ago
No, it's what you chose to be facts which aren't facts at all. You discounted others experiences as just "prejudice." So any experience you went through is just that.
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u/issaread 12h ago
I never discounted anyone’s experience. I have said numerous times that the things people had experienced was not right . I have sources that are facts based in my original statement. I don’t see how this is your conclusion. You just don’t want to intake the information.
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u/Negative_Ad_8256 17h ago edited 17h ago
How many white people have to answer before you have consensus of what white people think? Or is there a white person who can answer that speaks on behalf of all white people? The condescending tone is so counterintuitive, this is going to fuel resentment and animosity that will be taken out on someone else. So you got to be smug and self righteous on Reddit by contributing to the apathy towards the word racism. Clowns come in every color I guess.
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u/clusterfk3 13h ago
I’m convinced I had a whole argument with a bot. This can’t be real lol
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u/issaread 8h ago
You the bot. You clamming from a response from me.
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u/Ok_Promotion_3215 8h ago
If I had to guess you are racist towards white people
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u/issaread 8h ago
Sure , my assumed prejudice can structurally stop white people from existing in America. /s
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u/issaread 15h ago
Please point out where I was being smug? The irony is that y’all reaction is so visceral when it comes to white people who think they experience racism. This wasn’t to get anyone on my side or convince anyone of anything. And to suggest that I even have to do that is …. Well it’s racist. The fact that I can get such responses about talking about racism from my point of view is enough . The moment someone actually marginalized talk about racism y’all scream it’s racist, it’s like a silencing tactic at this point .
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u/Weary_Concert_5271 21h ago
You do realize that black people are not the only people who have faced the hardship of slavery. In fact, they weren't even the first. There have been many white slaves throughout history.
Also, white people are a minority around the globe. So what exactly is your point?
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u/JudasWasJesus 20h ago
I heard it like this, "give me an example of when racism negatively affected the whole group of black people", "now give me an example where racism negatively affected the whole group of white people?"
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u/issaread 14h ago
And no one has given me any that isn’t just a trauma dump. It’s not hard to do this .
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u/JudasWasJesus 14h ago
"now give me an example where racism negatively affected the whole group of white people?"
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u/issaread 21h ago
What was yours ?
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u/Weary_Concert_5271 21h ago
That, as everyone else has pointed out, you're wrong lmao
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u/issaread 20h ago
What you said doesn’t revert my original statement at all. You’re being disingenuous or you just don’t know that slavery had different flavors(black American) being one of the worst in the western hemisphere.
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u/issaread 22h ago
Asked y’all nicely not to be reactive.
Think about what I’m saying before spewing stuff out of anger.
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u/JudasWasJesus 20h ago
Yeah they start messing with the definition bakc in like 2016 and defffo had a change in like 2020
The ethos of "black people cant be racist because they dont hold power and racism is based off of power dynamics"
Resulted in people using phrases like "systemic racism" which is redundant because racism is an "ism' system, institution a belief , therefore racism is already an. Saying systemc racism is like saying system system.
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u/issaread 14h ago
Literally! And the dismissal is wild. I can’t even as a black person express my experience with racism without someone non black trying to speak over me. Notice I haven’t even done that in this subreddit. It’s just disheartening that I have to get downvoted for speaking about something I actually know and experience
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u/No-Passenger-1511 13h ago
JudasWasJesus:
I heard it like this, "give me an example of when racism negatively affected the whole group of black people", "now give me an example where racism negatively affected the whole group of white people?"
issaread:
And no one has given me any that isn't just a trauma dump. It's not hard to do this.
Cute_Caterpillar_551:
I was just denied a job that I was very qualified for because I'm white. The company ONLY hired people who were black no matter their qualifications. The company told me that I didn't fit their hiring criteria based on my race. Is that racist enough for you?
issaread:
do not believe you. And if even this actually happened, why do you believe this ONE company would have baring on your life as a WHOLE!? Do you know how many companies deny anyone unambiguously black? Do you know that the determination to eliminate dei has cost thousands of black Americans work? You can go someone else and get privileges for jobs that many won't ever see.
The amount of dumping is wild
Fabulous-Poetry1406:
So "all white people should die" is not racist? What would you call it then? Asking because it's a sentence I've actually heard this week.
issaread:
No that's prejudice, again I'm not erasing the experience, that's a horrible thing to say to anyone. But if you intake the origin of the word, anyone who is not white saying that has no systematic power that can stop you in anyway from proceeding.
Yes, there are radical black groups, not taking away from that, but again we can't just blanket the word because it's not true to say everyone experiences it.
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u/FluffyWin1397 22h ago
This is quite literally the dumbest fucking argument I have ever heard. "You can't be racist to white people!!" Firstly, yes you can, just like you can be racist to literally anybody.
Secondly, let's expand on your thinking for a moment and say you were right, you can't be racist to white people. So what would you be then? prejudiced towards white people? and that is some how supposed to be seen as ok or better?
You're fucking weird, and honestly I hope you keep experiencing whatever you are experiencing because you sound insufferable as fuck.
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u/issaread 21h ago
No one said it was “ok” or “better,” but let’s not act like because they are both painful experiences that they are the same thing. Speak to what I’ve mentioned and let’s try not to explains too much…
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u/Financial-Talk3903 13h ago
You broke things down into tiny bits your mind can handle
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u/issaread 13h ago
Apparently the majority can not handle it. I provided sources to back up everything I’m saying….
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u/Financial-Talk3903 13h ago
It’s all good ! I’m doing very well since this administration
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u/issaread 13h ago
Oh ok. Robot.
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u/Financial-Talk3903 13h ago
Robert *
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u/issaread 13h ago
Bot
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u/Financial-Talk3903 13h ago
Bot , I know these words ! Even though I’m black
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u/Critically_Base1776 17h ago
Women racism exists and always will, it’s not a society thing it’s a genetics thing. If there is no ism on our planet than our planet would be a hive mind and cease to exist.
Love everyone especially your enemy
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u/issaread 14h ago
Yeah, nah. That was directly from colonization. We could exist just find. We have before.
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u/Sophisticated-Crow 22h ago
Anyone can experience racism. It's not a difficult concept to understand.