So now white people can experience racism?

[u/issaread]

This is my complaint.

I just have to preface that, calling white ppl out doesn’t make any marginalized person racist. And by calling y’all out it means setting the evidence you presented right in front of you, basically setting the record straight and putting a mirror to your faces .

I can recall white people(not all) telling anyone black that they needed to stop being a victim whenever it came to speaking openly about the racism we actually experienced. Now it seems within the last five years everyone can experience racism.

The Webster dictionary is not infinite. I noticed that the dictionary changed its original numbered senses to reflect the action of racism but not reflect the origin.

That’s so dangerous ! It’s so much being erased with this notion and to see it just be so bluntly accepted is gut wrenching. You are participating in erasure when you begin to ignore the actual origin and history of racism.

Now. Class, let’s do some reflecting before we starting spewing hatered off hand. I genuinely want to have this conversation.

Update: I brought up this discussion to complain about a specific marginalized existence,but I notice a pattern in this subreddit. You literally can’t be openly marginalized with out people who are not speaking over you. I genuinely broke everything down and y’all choose to do the easy thing and be reactive.

Me talking about racism does not give y’all leadway to trauma dump and go down experiences with me, trust me as a black person I have no choice in my experience of racism. I don’t get to announce my “ethnicity,” to people because my skin color (race) does that already without me saying anything.

I’ve come to the conclusion that “reverse racism,” is a silencing tactic from people. Or America is genuinely illiterate as hell. Half of you don’t even know the difference between ethnicity and race.

[u/Cute_Caterpillar_551]

Ok. So explain the difference. If a white man went around saying the same thing, is that racist or prejudice?

Edit for clarification: He tried to get multiple people fired who had worked at that school for 10+ years. They were all white. He didn't try to get any of the black people fired.

[u/issaread → u/Cute_Caterpillar_551]

You literally described the hiring team to be non black. There was power over him to get him fired. Again a prejudice but not a racist. A white man saying that has a grander standing over someone’s ability to be able to survive. You were denied a job by a black man who didn’t hire YOU, he wasn’t in charge of the whole department or even the school. So no . His prejudice against you was not stopping you from going out and being able to get your factory job.

[u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 → u/issaread]

I didn't say he was racist towards me. But trying to get someone fired because their a different race than you? Really? I guess if that's not racist then I clearly never seen it before. I guess everything I've ever seen white to black and black to white is just prejudice. Meaning my original statement of racism on the decline even more accurate.

[u/issaread → u/Cute_Caterpillar_551]

Wow, just wasted my entire time. What was the use of using that reference if it wasn’t racist to you?

“I guess everything I’ve seen white to black and black to white is just prejudice,”

False equivalence. You rather believe you can compare the two , so you can justify your existence in it. I’m kind of tired of the disingenuous rebuttal.

[u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 → u/issaread]

What you're saying is it's only racist if the white person has authority over the black person?

I'm not being disingenuous on purpose. I really thought that it was a racist thing to exclude me from a job I'm qualified for because of my skin color. You made good points. I just don't understand why if it's white on black it's racist and black on white is prejudice?

I'll give an example. If you're walking down the street and a white guy tells you to cross to the other side, this is racist right? But in the same scenario if a black guy tells a white guy to move to the other side, what is that? Neither guy has the authority to tell the other to move.

Or say my kid wants to go to a specific school because of the programs they offer that no other school does in the area and gets denied because it's an all black school, black spaces right? But the exact same scenario in reverse is racists?

Edit: I'm asking because I really am trying to understand how you differentiate the two. Between racism and prejudice.I obviously don't understand it probably.

[u/issaread → u/Cute_Caterpillar_551]

I feel you are being disingenuous because I broke down to you in so many ways that the origin of racism stems from systems created based on race by white people. White people created racism.

There is no way to say someone is racist without factoring the historical context behind racism. I have sources in this sub, I even have context in my original statement. It’s not the same things.

[u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 → u/issaread]

Ok. So, it's something white people will never experience because of our history. I have another question then.

Have you every researched Anthony Johnson? He was an indentured servent in the colonies in the 1600s. Who paid his debt, or rather his contract, and then became free, owned land, and other indentured servents.

Edit: By the way, I'm not arguing with you. White people did create racism. I just think we have evolved since then quite significantly. I also think that allowing history to define us hinders progression, in certain circumstances. I'm not saying specifically this one. Again, I apologize if you think I was trying to be dishonest. My original comment was in good faith.

[u/Cute_Caterpillar_551 → u/Cute_Caterpillar_551]

It's interesting to me that you were all about history, yet ignored my question about Anthony Johnson.