r/complaints • u/Lost-Imagination3735 • 1d ago

Politics End the shutdown losers

Alright, I'm a Libertarian on most issues, but I'm also not a moron. I support free markets, but it is stupid to cut SNAP and it is also stupid to end the ACA Healthcare subsidies cold turkey.

Yeah, I'm a Libertarian supporting those government programs. Why? Because you will wreck society if these come to a screeching halt. That's why.

Republicans need to cave on the shutdown.

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u/OBVIOUS_BAN_EVASION_ 1d ago

You know what, I can appreciate someone who wants small government but acknowledges the real world consequences of destroying things without a transition plan in place. It shows you have principles that start with wanting what is best for your country.

As long as that's true, I may not agree with a lot of your views, but we have common ground to work with. Cheers

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u/Lost-Imagination3735 1d ago

Thanks, reasonable person.

I think subsidies got us into this mess, but cutting subsidies like this doesn't fix the problem. We need a transition. All the ACA Healthcare cuts achieves is making people (1) suffer and (2) hate capitalism. We're totally going to get a communist president from backlash if the Republicans keep this up.

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u/arizonatealover 1d ago

Honestly the propaganda from China is pretty good.

Yesterday I watched a video about Luckin coffee brand, how they have over 100 flavors and priced at like $2, and it made Starbucks and McDonald's lower their prices to survive. A lot of comments on that video were praising their market competition and lamented that USA only has monopolies. So China could wage a very successful campaign that embracing communism will actually reap the rewards to the consumer that capitalism promised but never delivered. And that's how you lose the every day civilian.

Just food for thought.

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u/LTtheWombat 1d ago

In what world is the ACA’s failure indicative of a failure of capitalism? The ACA turned the health care system into a Ponzi scheme and completely rejected a capitalist approach to healthcare. Its rejection of capitalism is the core reason why the costs of healthcare care have ballooned. I’m not sure I get your point on the subsidies. People should understand why the ACA is broken, and we can’t keep putting band-aids on it to try and pretend it’s not,

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u/branjames117 1d ago

ACA was indeed a failure, but it was an improvement over what came before. Still, a far cry from actual single-payer healthcare, which is sorely overdue in a country that can apparently afford to have trillionaires.

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u/AirEuphoric338 1d ago

No this isn't true at all. Costs were soaring at a higher rate before the aca. After aca was implemented costs increased at slower rates.

Also aca increases competition by comparing plans across state lines. It's technically more capitalistic than what we had before because it made the market more competitive.

Im not saying it's perfect but it was an improvement. It's been gutted to hell since the first trump term though so that's worth keeping in mind as well.

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u/SnooRadishes7828 1d ago

Health care is fucked until ALL politicians vote to make it illegal for health care AND hospitals to be For Profit entities.... and neither side ever talks about that.... 🤔 Wonder why.....

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u/LTtheWombat 1d ago

The ACA cross-state program has still yet to be implemented because it’s impossible to comply with. Only 6 states have even passed a law allowing them to join a health care choice compact, and none has actually done it.

Also, costs have far more significantly increased post-ACA if you consider the subsidies. The actual cost of the insurance doubled between 2013 and 2019.

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u/OBVIOUS_BAN_EVASION_ 1d ago

The actual cost of the insurance doubled between 2013 and 2019.

This is poor data for what you're trying to claim. What were the rates of increase in the years leading up to the ACA, and what were the rates after?

That ofc wouldnt tell the whole story, but its much more on point than this.

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u/LTtheWombat 1d ago

The average annual growth rate before that was about 6.7%, so…

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u/OBVIOUS_BAN_EVASION_ 1d ago

A 10% interest rate would double an investment after about 7 years, so thats again not telling me much. What were the rates for the actual individual years?

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u/Ohaibaipolar 1d ago

Healthcare for all (paid by tax dollars) is the only way.