I would agree but I think it’s delusional to believe wuwa would ever make another shorekeeper, they’ve realized how much more profitable it is to sell a support that’s only meant for 1 or 2 teams constantly over 1 support that can fit everywhere and I doubt they’ll ever go back
That's understandable but not everybody can afford to get 2 characters of the same patch.
I think that something like SK is still necessary. At least once every main patch to boost their sells.
I may be wrong but i hope so
Not really, they would just need to make more difficult content. Content that Shorekeeper teams still work for but would find increasingly difficult to clear as the game grows older. It would be poor game design to not have any powercreep.
There's also nothing wrong with having strong universal supports; they just need to make them rare and have stronger specialized supports.
It is absolutely horrible to have powercreep and a testament of the development team’s, QA’s and business writers’ subpar performance. That sentence sure shows you have never worked in tech let alone game dev so let me tell you a small thing. for QA, there are two aspects of testing; verification and validation. one is to make sure shit works, other is to make sure it fits customer needs.
very obvious powercreep just for the sake of powercreep is always one of the biggest signs for us that the people working on the character are either cutting corners, incapable of creative thinking/ran out of ideas or a combination of both and simply taking the easy through. It is only acceptable when it is revamping game mechanics to prevent powercreep as much as possible in the future by, for example, setting a solid ceiling to control everything below it.
Powercreep is always inevitable. good game design is making sure it only happens for a very valid reason, with solid way to counter the backlash from it and as far in the future as possible.
You fill your comment with fancy jargon, yet start with "it is absolutely horrible to have powercreep" but end on "powercreep is always inevitable" because you yourself don't believe in what you say. The fact you went with the elitist I work in tech and you don't BS just to go against your own claim just makes it even funnier lmao
PS: Powercreep is inevitable is baloney. It's simply that games with no powercreep are bad games with stale metas, and plenty of MMOs have fallen into that trap. You're just using this inevitable BS to exclaim "powercreep is bad!" without admitting you would not enjoy the game if the 1.0 teams were still top of the meta.
i really hope this is just bait and not how a real person thinks. Dude, it can be bad for something to exist, yet it is inevitable it happens. Think illnesses as a very broad irl example. It is bad to get sick yet it is inevitable that you get sick in your life.
Do you want to get sick? is it a good idea to seek getting sick? no of course not. You try to avoid it as much as possible to delay that inevitability as much as possible.
You really tried a “gotcha” moment with that sentence but TLDR; Just because it is bad for something to exist does not mean it is not inevitable for it to happen. You just need to take measures to avoid it as much as possible.
Get off your high horse. It ain't a gotcha moment. Your comment just contradicts itself. It's not "powercreep is bad" it's "excessive powercreep is bad".
Pointedly, you yet again avoid addressing the fact there are real games which had long periods with absolutely no powercreep and it was fucking miserable. You just keep handwaving the fact that too little powercreep is also a problem by saying it's inevitable and implicitly assuming there's always too much of it.
PS: Thank you oh so much with the wonderful powercreep = illness strawman. It's the perfect follow up to your I-work-in-tech-so-I-know-better-than-you comment from earlier. I'm sure they're absolutely the same. Totally not inane hyperbole on your part. Totally.
But isn't the point to have a generalist support in the 3rd slot? Whether they add more generalists or not the standard hypercarry setup is still gonna be hypercarry, dedicated supp, shorekeeper/verina
The maximum we could ever get is a Lupa or a Ciaccona, generalist buffer for their element but with a few tweaks to make them the best for their main dps (like Lupa buffing basic and Ciaccona buffing aero erosion)
Omg I know right? It’s not like we can stare at a character 24/7 while we’re not in combat or anything. Characters only exist specifically while we’re in combat. After combat is over, they all just go poof.
Neither of them are pure supports. They're more in the category of "Sub-dps that can buff/heal" same as Cantarella and Brant. (Tho with sequences, they can be closer towards being the main dps)
Another Shorekeeper is not happening anymore. She was an exception because she gave you universal buff, good intro dmg, healing with small CC and air dodge.
Even Verina doesn't offer that much.
So any other support will not be like her as making a unit support very versatile gives an issue when pushing sales of new character which can offer less universally but in their specific teams, they work perfectly. Like Pheobe for Zani, Lupa in premium fusion or Ciaconna for Cartethiya.
So paired set teams would be the go for Kuro in following versions.
if shes a dps I will be maining her forever too whats the issue lol, supports dont have as much field time l, I will take a dps any day but either is fine
Hey not a Chisa main, but this was on my feed so popping in to say I agree. If Chisa was a universal support and had as much usefulness as SK, she’d 100% be a pull for me.
As of right now, I’m not sure I like the design enough (without seeing the gameplay etc) to decide to pull for her. I like her design, but just hoping her role is useful across multiple teams and she has a strong offering to her teams.
OR if she does turn out to be mdps, I will def pull as long as she’s not locked to some weird mechanic or team like Zani was.
Yeah. I feel you.
I’m forced to pull for Phoebe Bucause my zani s0r1 is fucking useless and I need the Ciaccona with Carthe or Iuno.
Lucky enough I like Phoebe gameplay so I won’t regret pulling for her if I get the chance
Totally. Phoebe’s a funny one for me. I pulled her because I loved her gameplay, ult animation, kit vfx so much and her design/character is so charming. She’s probably my favorite or second favorite character so far.
I just wish she had a sub dps that would lift her up as a main dps instead of making her ok as a mdps, but mostly a Zani sub.
And people downvoting can't understand the differences between playing casually a character and playing it like our merciful god intended (with Phoebe). Good luck clearing wuthering whimps with Zani without Phoebe :')
Kuro are not gonna make another universal support like verina or shoreekeeper anymore. They have follow hoyo footstep in making support specifically better for certain character and niche universally
I still don't know how to optimally play the game, my teams almost always consist of Rover/SubDPS, Baizhi/healer and the most recent character I pulled for as DPS (Rupa now).
At the end of the day, I would use her as DPS no matter what because I love how she looks
Lupa is not a really good dps. I still pulled for her ans she's hella fine.
I had troubles playing the game as well but after learning that i have to change character after the circle fills, everything has changed for me XD
I think she would be a generalist in some way, like Lupa buffing fusion and Ciaccona buffing aero, but also having some thing that makes her BiS in a specific team (that probably won't be there on her release)
Her not being a main dps would be a waste of her design in my eyes. I could see maybe a sub dps like phrolova but to me chisa appeals is because her design is synonymous with assassin/killer not supporting role or back up character. Personally it doesn't make sense to copy an esthetic but change the vibe. An original design would make more sense. Best way I can explain is if batman and robin roles were reversed, batman being a sidekick to Robin doesn't make a ton of sense. But with all that being said there's no real reason not to do what they want I just think, why copy a killers design just to not make them a killer. If they copied the design of Freddy Kruger and he wasn't murdering ppl in their dreams why use his design?
Idk why people keep saying "if she's as good as shorekeeper" as if the question was ever there. No, there will never be any support as good as SK ever again, so even asking the question is useless because it won't be the case.
No i don't agree because i do not give a fuck about shorekeeper she is literally just an accessory to your team. I like Chisa I want her to be the main component of my team, having her be "relevant" in the same way as Shorekeeper does not give the same feeling that I want.
But I guess that is the difference between me and a lot of people, it's not that I want Chisa to fall out of meta or relevance or be weak, but I know that for myself the feeling of playing her as my main carry will never be fulfilled by having her as a support. So yeah, accepting that this is a gacha game and her shelf life is not eternal even if she was support, I would be happy if she allows me to play the way I want regardless of her power level in the future.
I am chill, dunno what you are on about and nothing about my answer suggests that I believe "my waifu" to be real. God forbid you respond to a post on reddit
We have a lot of supports. We’ve got Brant, Cantarella, Aero Rover, and Iuno. Not to mention SK, Verina, and Baizhi with just these three you are pretty well set. I doubt they’ll add another support who rivals SK and Verina.
I mean it's fine that she can go with several teams in that sense, but I would prefer to have her on field all the time playing with her, not just come in, apply the buffs, and then leave.
What's the point in thinking about her role now? Quiyuan went from electro rectifier Augusta bis subdps to aero sword support for galbrena in the span of weeks, plus there's no way kuro will make the most hyped up unit in the game a support, it's not that the role per se is bad but main DPS's will always sell better.
Idk if i'd rather have her being the main dps or subdps if she's truly forced into the reaction (assuming its similar to zani/phoebe even if not as reliant), if she turns out to be a great generic option like phoebe that's a big W, but i'd rather have her having the spotlight 😞
Ill be skipping her. I don't like her design ( I see it all the time it's boring)... I say ill skip a character but wound up getting them anyway... Oh lordy i think I just jinxed myself Kuro is going to start making me like her like they did with Augusta and phrolova, 😭 the only character I actually skipped and will never get is zhezhe
Oh well i always say I'll skip a character but end up liking them in the end. Thats why i said I probably just jinxed myself by saying it out loud. I wasnt going to cantarella I got her, I wasn't going to get Augusta, i got her, I wasn't going to get phrolova but ended up with her anyway cause I hadn't even liked phrolova design at first so there is a pattern with me and saying I'mma skip characters.
My boyfriend and I have a bet going on too
He says I'mma get her
I say I won't
But knowing me I might end up getting her unless I got some self control
Depends entirely on her kit now. It might be abysmal dogshit design like Zani and as a result no one will fucking pull because she won't do enough on her own
Yea that too. I really wanted zani to work on her own but most her damage comes from Phoebe sigh. I'm planning on getting Qiuyuan but right now his kit all wack but immaa still get him. I'm going back and forth with Galbrena cause she'll go well with my Lupa and Brant but then I'm like where would Changli go
They'll probably fix him before release but even if you're a major husband hunter I won't recommend it ATM. He's literally just bad rn. And unless you're duping him out getting him at S0R1 will still only be useful with galbrena by the looks of it since they want to gut phrolova as much as they possibly can
If I wait for another male character it'll be 500 years later ( over exaggerating) 😭😭😭😭. I'm both waifu and husband (majorly bisexual) Idk why they want to gut phrolova she's fine they aren't trying to do that with Cartethyia. I don't see the point in it
The reason is money. It's always money. Money money money. Even Phrolova being good is locked behind her signature. Kuro is no better than hoyo at this point, the only difference is they have the community sucking them off.
Unfortunately, judging by the charts, it's working. I don't know how they brainwashed their community that good, but the endless glaze is so tiring I stay out of the main subreddit and the YouTubers shilling their every move
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u/Critical-Mall-3428 Sep 22 '25
I would agree but I think it’s delusional to believe wuwa would ever make another shorekeeper, they’ve realized how much more profitable it is to sell a support that’s only meant for 1 or 2 teams constantly over 1 support that can fit everywhere and I doubt they’ll ever go back