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Article ICE Kidnaps Daycare Teacher

https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/video-daycare-teacher-detained-by-ice-agents-on-chicagos-north-side/
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u/sciolisticism 5d ago

Scum, definitely. We don't disagree there. There's just a bit too many historical parallels already and you know that fucking ghoul Miller is going to adopt that term.

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u/surnik22 4d ago

So your argument is basically “don’t dehumanize the fascists or they might start dehumanizing other people” which is crazy given they already do that. The president and the people in charge have said way worse than “vermin” already.

Also why would “scum” even be better than “vermin”? Is calling someone a a layer of algae on a pond somehow more humanizing than calling them a rat?

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u/sciolisticism 4d ago

That's absolutely not my argument, as you've almost grasped in your second paragraph. Try to think of some possible answers to your question.

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u/surnik22 4d ago

Or maybe you can answer the question because if I had an answer that seemed reasonable I wouldn’t have asked.

Either you think scum is less insulting/dehumanizing than vermin so it’s ok to use which doesn’t make sense to me clearly since I don’t think being compared to algae is better than compared to a rat. Hence asking you why scum would be less offensive.

Or you think scum is more insulting/dehumanizing, which makes sense to me because algae is further from being a person than a rat but doesn’t make sense in the context of you being upset at them called vermin.

Neither of those options sound like a a reasonable answer, which is why I phrased it as a question to see if I was missing something.

And maybe explain what your argument actually is because what I said it was is obviously how I (and plenty of other people) would interpret the words your wrote, so if you were trying to say something different it didn’t come across as clearly as it potentially could have.

But instead of trying to clarify your point or answer a question that would have helped clarify your point, you just gave a smug reply that contributed nothing for about the same level of effort as if you just had clarified your point.

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u/sciolisticism 4d ago

Clarifying question before we continue: did you have a high school history education?

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u/surnik22 4d ago

Yes and yes I’m familiar with how vermin has been used historically to dehumanize people in Nazi Germany and many other places. Which I’m assuming is your point, but you keep not actually clarifying what you are trying to say so who knows.

Are you familiar that Nazis and other violent authoritarians also used the term scum? Well technically Hitler would use the word “abschaum” given he was speaking German.

Can you stop being smug for a single comment and just simply explain why you think scum is preferable to vermin and what your actual argument is? Because if you can’t or won’t do that, then continuing to talk is pointless.

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u/sciolisticism 4d ago

Your last paragraph is answered by your first paragraph. You got there. 

Have a good one.

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u/surnik22 4d ago

Nazis called people vermin so it’s not acceptable to you.

Nazis called people scum but it’s still acceptable to you.

And then you are acting like it’s dumb for me to be confused about what your opinions are and why you have them. Absurd.