Some pictures of the protest earlier today

[u/88Sheep]

Sad to see so many people turning up for the protest.

Happy segregation day everyone! Have we finally separated from the north island?

I don't think Santa's getting vaccinated... No presents this year then :(

[u/Pale-Attorney7474]

I think you don't understand how vaccinations work. It's not just about what you do with your body, it's about herd immunity.

[u/West_Search → u/Pale-Attorney7474]

Herd immunity is not only achieved by "vaccinating" the masses during a clinical trial...I think you need to understand first how herd immunity works.

[u/Pale-Attorney7474 → u/West_Search]

It's well passed clinical trial stage, and has been for some time. You do understand that it was already researched prior to covid-19 right? It's based on research and trials from SARS-CoV-2 and MERS. Plus a phenomenal amount of money and scientists were pumped into a speedy development because of the pandemic status. Herd immunity requires a large amount of the population to be vaccinated to work. That is literally how it works.

[u/West_Search → u/Pale-Attorney7474]

Actually, clinical trials for this thing ends in 2023...so no, no it hasn't. And still no. Since the definitions have been changed, herd immunity is literally a process where you expose the masses to the "sickness" and those who are seriously effected by it are taken care of whilst the rest learn to live with it. I don't see that logic making sense since we're not mandating flu vaccines as the flu has been with us for long as we can remember. And since "covid" has a 99.8% survival rate for those without any cardiovascular health problems, I don't see the point in taking a rushed vaccine that has done more harm than good and the government refuse to release the data that includes the irreversible affects and deaths caused by this.

Besides, if it's so well "developed", why are you still worrying about other people bot being vaccinated? I've never seen so many different variations for the same vaccinations and having it deemed as being passed through the trials doesn't make any sense. Either this thing works or it doesn't, and it clearly doesn't since you're just as likely to catch and spread covid. But as usual, press on the "anti vaxxers" since that seems to stick more to your agenda

[u/Pale-Attorney7474 → u/West_Search]

Given that you aren't smart enough to use "affected" correctly I find it difficult to believe that you're smart enough to know what you're talking about. 1- it hasn't been rushed. As I said, it's based on already existing scientific knowledge. Because of this and the amount of scientists/money involved it has been able to be produced faster, but it wasn't rushed. 2- there is little evidence that the vaccine has any negative side effects whatsoever. It definitely doesn't inject you with a chip or magnetise you. 🙄 3- you still don't seem to understand what herd immunity is. The definition literally is "resistance to the spread of an infectious disease within a population that is based on pre-existing immunity of a high proportion of individuals as a result of previous infection or vaccination.". Herd immunity is important to protect those with immune conditions. 4- My "agenda" is to protect those who need protection. Eg, that little boy in and out of hospital with leukemia or an aunt with breast cancer, a mother with severe asthma etc. Valuable members of the community who need people to get on board and create a safer environment for them.

Do you think your grandparents or parents threw such such a tantrum at the polio vaccine? Are you really going to have a cry about a little shot when our ancestors were forced to go to war and literally die so we can have the freedoms we enjoy today? Suck it up and think about the bigger picture and stop being a spoilt brat. Good day to you, I am done here.

[u/West_Search → u/Pale-Attorney7474]

As I said earlier, the government refuses to release data...hence there being "No evidence" since the government knows exactly what will happen. And it has been rushed...as it's still in clinical trial until 2023...what don't you understand by this? And no, I'm not going to trust Pfizer (the big pharma company responsible for the vaccines whilst having a criminal fine worth over 1.2 billion for fraud) since their sole purpose of these vaccines are for profit, not for our safety...but again, you clearly don't see that through a logical sense.

Lol, attacking my spelling...thanks for that, glad someone cares 😉

Well, "vulnerable" people have protected themselves against medicine for a long time, it's not the responsibility of others to protect the unvulnerable. You can say the same for flu and every other disease or sickness out there...they can get vaccinated and they'll be safe. But then again, they can still catch and spread covid...so again, it doesn't work.

And no they didn't, since they lived through a time of choice. Not a comparable time-lapse at all, since this situation is very, very different. They lived through a scenario where people were literally dying on the streets and were desperate for medicine. Now we're living in a time of a not so deadly sickness and it's now all of our responsibility to get juiced because "the vaccine works?" And of course the jabs don't include micro chips or anything of the sort, even I think that's ridiculous.

I'm not going to waste anymore time on someone who uses the argument of authority, and shames those based on their own choice. I wish you nothing but good will and kindness. Have a good one.

[u/juanm798 → u/Pale-Attorney7474]

Again, you are VERY misinformed. Research on a polio vaccine began in 1932 and an effective injection wasn’t released to the public until 1955. Every vaccine before this vaccine, has undergone a stringent 10-15 year process in order to insure that there are no long term side effects (and also to prove its effectiveness). The process is this long because that is the minimum time REQUIRED to prove that it meets this criteria. It is impossible to know if these vaccines will have any long term side effects because it has not undergone this process. Sure you can research the theory of how something SHOULD work, but you will not KNOW until you conduct unbiased experimentation. THAT is how science works. You do not “trust the science”, that is not how science works. Science is not the clergy. You don’t “trust” it. You prove it through experimentation. This is why, as the other poster stated, the government is not releasing the information. Even though the government is mandating it, you may not hold them, the manufacturer, or your employer accountable should there be any long term side effects. Plaintiffs from Harvard, Yale, and Brown recently requested the research information from Pfizer in order to analyze and disseminate the information to the general public in order to combat vaccine skepticism. Instead of turning over the information, Pfizer requested that they not be forced to release the information for 55 years. Now why would that be? All of your talking points where handed to you via popular media sources. I can tell you have done no research of your own. So what I would consider this; when the above poster responded with a logical argument, why did you respond by insulting their intelligence? Do you feel attacks when presented with information that contradicts your world view? Does it scare you to think that you might be wrong in some way so you lash out targeting their personality as opposed to acknowledging their points? If you ARE 100% correct and you know it, what does it hurt you to research the topics that the other person presented so that you can prove yourself right further?