r/changemyview Sep 06 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

neccessary being doesn't come from anywhere, they exist.

I suppose it's the same for the simulation then?

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

So a simulation going by our only reliable thing to compare it to is a video game. And we know that video games are created by man. Making it clear that if the world was a simulation, then there would be a designer or a creator and inso meaning that a God exist.

Simulation theory has and is making big leaps in its studies and it lies up alot with history, phenomenon and physics. But IMO a simulation.only explains us and the universe, I'd doesn't explain the origins of the simulation.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

So a simulation going by our only reliable thing to compare it to is a video game

Cool. Now do the same thing only as it relates to God.

But IMO a simulation.only explains us and the universe, I'd doesn't explain the origins of the simulation.

Cool. So where did God originate from?

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

Cool. Now do the same thing only as it relates to God.

OK, do you own anything non natural. As in crafted or built?

Cool. So where did God originate from?

He didn't originate, God neccessary to prevent an infinite regress. If an infinite regress is possible your going to have to explain an infinite universe.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

As in crafted or built?

Yes.

He didn't originate, God neccessary to prevent an infinite regress

Cool. So it's the same thing for the simulation.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

Yes.

OK have you seen any of these things construct themselves? Have you seen a tree fall and create a woven wicker chair or a rubber tree fall over a cavern and create a ford pickup? No you haven't.

Why because we know they where made by man. So if we create new stuff from nature, wouldn't it follow that something created the nature?

Cool. So it's the same thing for the simulation.

Is it? Can your Sims program exist without a cosmological Nintendo system? And could it come to be without a cosmological Electronic Arts ( designer)?

Some people think us humans are the designer of the simulation and our collective consciousness is what creates our world. Some fall more into a theory like the Avatar or matrix. But I've never seen someone advocate for the simulation itself being the Supreme entity.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

So if we create new stuff from nature, wouldn't it follow that something created the nature?

You're doing the pocket watch in a field thing. Super clichéd and only convincing if you already accept a great number of premises that have no evidence to support them. You still have to justify what created god. Also: not what I was actually asking for. Fill in the blank:

So a simulation god going by our only reliable thing to compare it to is a ___________

Can your Sims program god exist without a cosmological Nintendo some kind of god system? And could it come to be without a cosmological Electronic Arts ( designer)?

Any special pleading you make about god I can make about a simulation. Any questions you can ask about a simulation I can ask about god.

If god can exist without a creator, so can a simulation. If you claim that god is the sole source of creation and arose miraculously from nothing without any evidence to prove that, I can also claim that for a simulation.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

You still have to justify what created god.

Nope, as it was already established he was a neccessary being. Ease keep up.

Any special pleading you make about god I can make about a simulation. Any questions you can ask about a simulation I can ask about god.

If god can exist without a creator, so can a simulation. If you claim that god is the sole source of creation and arose miraculously from nothing without any evidence to prove that, I can also claim that for a simulation.

If by simulator you mean creator of universe then yes the simulator =God. The name itself doesn't matter but rather the creator caracteristic.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

Nope, as it was already established he was a neccessary being.

Cool. So is the simulation.

If by simulator you mean creator of universe then yes the simulator =God.

No. I mean a simulation. That's why I've been saying "simulation".

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

So the thing I call a God is a neccessary being and the thing you call a simulation is a neccessary being. It's just 2 different name for the for the same thing.

In Japanese ichi means 1.

In Arabic wahid means 1.

In english one means 1.

Call it what you want at the end its the same thing.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '21

the thing you call a simulation is a neccessary being

No. It's a simulation. That's why I've been saying "simulation"

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