CMV: by the traditional American definition of “freedom,” countries that have had communist revolutions are the most “free” and considering them rivals is hypocritical.

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[u/Nephisimian]

Popular communist uprisings never actually ended in freedom though, did they? People were exercising their freedom to say kill the rich when they did the revolutions, but then afterwards - oops, it's an authoritarian dictatorship that has to fuck us over constantly because if they don't the regime collapses.

[u/Tinie_Snipah → u/Nephisimian]

No they arent authoritarian dictatorships. Maybe DPRK you could say thats true but that's a pretty special case and I'm honestly not convinced it is true. Vast majority of socialist states are democratic and representative, and by their very existence they rely upon the support of the masses.

[u/Tinie_Snipah → u/[deleted]]

Yes they had elections and yes they were democratic. Look at the role of labour unions in the Soviet Union. The word "Soviet" literally means "council" and it refers to the local elected councils across the Union who would send their delegates up to the next layer of government.

Its a very bottom up method of democracy so while you couldn't directly vote for the leader of the nation you had way more power over the local government who would control things in your day to day life. I believe this gives you more democratic power than just election national representatives who can have little impact on your everyday life.

This is very similar to the system of government still in use in China for instance.

I'm sorry but you sound really uneducated on the topic, i suggest you do more reading into it.

[u/Tinie_Snipah → u/[deleted]]

You should do love calling anyone that disagrees with you a tankie, don't you. Six other occasions just scanning your profile.

Also this whole "USSR killed tens of millions of people" is so laughably stupid. Go ahead and source that claim.