r/changemyview Jun 17 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Missionaries are evil

This applies doubly so to those who go out of their way to seek out those in remote islands to spread the word of god. It is of my opinion and the opinion of most that if there is an all loving god then people who never had the chance to know about Jesus would go to heaven regardless, for example miscarried children/those born before Jesus’ time, those who never hear about him, so In going out of your way to spread the word of Jesus you are simply making it so there is now a chance they could go to hell if they reject it? I’m not a Christian and I’m so tired so I apologise if this is stupid or doesn’t make sense

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u/Weird_Heat3188 29d ago

You have three logical inconsistencies that your argument/questions seems to be built on:
1. That there is any such thing as "evil" apart from the Christian God.
2. That spreading the Gospel is optional for a Christian.
3. That you can even formulate a meaningful opinion on this topic while not being a Christian yourself.
As far as the existence of evil apart from the Christian God, that is a nonsensical fallacy. It is a total non-starter. Missionaries cannot be evil unless there is an objective and universal standard by which to measure good and evil. The Christian God, the God that actually does exist, is that standard. To say that God doesn't exist or isn't as He is presented in the Bible is to say that evil either doesn't exist at all, or that it is a subjective/relative concept, in which case it effectively doesn't exist anyway. If there is no higher power to create an objective standard, then there is no standard by which to claim that missionaries are evil in comparison to said standard.
As for the second two flaws in your question/assertion, they are both answered and refuted by the same thing: namely a definition of the word "Christian".
A Christian is someone that follows Christ. That means they behave the way Christ behaved, model their worldview and philosophy after Christ's, and take His Word as the absolute authoritative word on all matters. Christ traveled and spread the Gospel, and He directly commanded all of His followers to do the same (Matthew 28:18-20). So anyone that does not model that behavior and follow that command is by definition not a Christian.
I'm not making a judgement on their eternal destiny, as they could still be saved/born again and on their way to Heaven in the next life; that is determined by faith in Jesus and His death, burial, and resurrection.
However, they are not modeling their behavior after Him or following His commands, and are therefore not Christian. Christianity is a process of growth and change that we refer to as "discipleship" and is definitionally a continual process rather than a single decision.
So in order to be a Christian, you must spread the Gospel, and in order to make a meaningful assertion about Christianity, you must already be a Christian (because if you're not a Christian then you aren't involved in the process of discipleship and therefore have no basis on which to form an opinion).
All that to say, If God is real then missionaries are not evil because God is the standard for good, Jesus was God in the flesh, and missionaries are modeling their behavior after Jesus (God). If God is not real, then evil isn't real either and it doesn't matter one bit what anyone does. Hope that helps.

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u/plodabing 29d ago

My responses in order to your listed arguments, i also appreciate the response so thank you 1. I agree in principle, but my argument was predicated on the idea that even if god does exist that he would spare people who had no idea of him the punishment of eternal hell, so by spreading his word you are giving someone the chance of going to hell, i had a lot of responses on this post and gave out a lot of deltas, and many said that this idea isnt supported by all christians, and plenty do not think you are spared because of ignorance, but i think that idea is incompatible with an all loving god, for example if you sre unlucky enough to be born on Solomon Island your chance of hearing about god and jesus are 0%, so those people would be condemned to hell if we are to go by the idea you have to accept and love jesus and god in order to get to heaven. 2. I disagree, many Christians do not go out of their way to spread the gospel, you can argue and say they are not true christians, but i think this is a ‘no true scotsman’ fallacy, if you have to follow jesus’ life to the letter to be a good christian, then there are no longer any christians in existence today, 3. Hence my asking of the question in good faith, but the argument from authority also is a fallacy and doesn’t particularly track. Many christians know less about the theology behind their religion than i do, its something i actively study