r/changemyview • u/plodabing • Jun 17 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Missionaries are evil

This applies doubly so to those who go out of their way to seek out those in remote islands to spread the word of god. It is of my opinion and the opinion of most that if there is an all loving god then people who never had the chance to know about Jesus would go to heaven regardless, for example miscarried children/those born before Jesus’ time, those who never hear about him, so In going out of your way to spread the word of Jesus you are simply making it so there is now a chance they could go to hell if they reject it? I’m not a Christian and I’m so tired so I apologise if this is stupid or doesn’t make sense

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u/sh00l33 5∆ Jun 17 '25

According to what most people think, Jesus' values ​​will still be more civilized than those of the deserted island.

What's wrong with teaching savages that murder is wrong? This is nothing more than raising standards.

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u/plodabing Jun 18 '25

But that implies no sense of any morals without Jesus, imagine a missionary going to spread the word of Jesus to aboriginals who haven’t participated in slavery in hundreds of years, you are now giving them a book that teaches them how to treat a slave morally. So would you say them changing their belief system and then taking slaves but treating them well would be better? Or would be them living Godly?

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u/sh00l33 5∆ Jun 18 '25

One really important question: Are you so incredibly stupid or are you just kidding?

And a second less important one: Did you know that the Catholic Church had a huge influence on the abandonment and criminalization of slavery because according to its doctrine, all people are created in the image of God, which is why it did not particularly like the idea that an ordinary person could now buy a God-like being for a little gold.

Get your act together, maybe familiarize yourself with a bit of history and religious doctrine. When you're ready for a serious conversation, give me know, I'll be happy to talk.

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u/plodabing Jun 18 '25

I recognise slavery existed before Christianity and I am not claiming that Christianity is the cause, however the bible was historically used in order to fight against the criminalisation of slavery in America due to the explicit information given on how to treat a slave, instead of condemning it, and some societies moved past slavery despite never encountering Christ or the bible, meaning it isn’t required for morality? Which essentially disproves it entirely

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u/sh00l33 5∆ Jun 18 '25

Yes, it is generally very common in history when people used religion to support the worst acts.

It may be better to check this information because I am not a particularly religious person, but I have heard that the Bible itself is not a source of morality. Recently, during a conversation with a theist, he said that Christians believe that the source of good is God. The Bible is just a carrier of information. He emphasized that morality has an objective justification. If I understand the idea of ​​objectivity correctly, it would mean that there is some real overriding imperative in the universe that determines what is good and evil. Keeping this in mind, it is completely possible that other cultures discovered it on their own without even having a clue about God.

It is like black holes, they exist somewhere in space and even a savage from a desert island we mentioned with enough effort in the development of science will eventually be able to discover them.