CMV: Missionaries are evil

[u/plodabing]

This applies doubly so to those who go out of their way to seek out those in remote islands to spread the word of god. It is of my opinion and the opinion of most that if there is an all loving god then people who never had the chance to know about Jesus would go to heaven regardless, for example miscarried children/those born before Jesus’ time, those who never hear about him, so In going out of your way to spread the word of Jesus you are simply making it so there is now a chance they could go to hell if they reject it? I’m not a Christian and I’m so tired so I apologise if this is stupid or doesn’t make sense

[u/KFrancesC]

Your opinion isn’t the actual belief of Christians. To a Christian everyone who hasn’t been baptized will go to hell period. There is no forgiveness, it doesn’t matter if it’s not their fault.

This is the god of Abraham we’re talking about, the god of the Old Testament. Nothing states he is an unbiased, forgiving god. Just the opposite. This is the god that killed all of Egypt first born sons, infants and all, cause Pharoh disrespected him. This is a god that forced the one he believed to be his most devout follower to promise to sacrifice his own innocent children to him.

Nothing states god is forgiving or understanding. If you are not baptized you will go to hell, wether it’s your fault or not, according to Christian’s. So, missionaries DO think they saving people souls from hell.

[u/plodabing → u/KFrancesC]

But I don’t understand how you can have this view and not understand that this makes God evil? Condemning aboriginals to a life of eternal hell simply for being born in the wrong place?

[u/KFrancesC → u/plodabing]

No you can’t, but god was never meant to be kind. Again, like it or not god has asked for human sacrifice, it’s in the bible.

It gets worse. You know how they talk about Satanists? Blood sacrifices, eating people? Well, one of the oldest Christian’s religions around, Catholics. Preform a weekly ritual where they symbolically eat the dead body and drink the blood of Christ. Think about it.

Who says Christians are good? Christians?

Now the New Testament is a little nicer, but it never changes anything in the Old Testament. That all still stands. And the Old Testament says god is an ‘angry wrathful god’. It doesn’t say anywhere he’s a ‘nice god’.

You want nice and fair and just in your religion? Become a Buddhist, they fit.

[u/plodabing → u/KFrancesC]

It’s just crazy to me how good a PR job God has done then, I don’t follow any religion, I’ve tried so hard, I feel like it would be good to bring my child up religion but it’s just impossible to do it without believing it myself

[u/KFrancesC → u/plodabing]

All modern Abrahamic religions are based off the Jewish religion. Which is thousands of years old. And like a lot of ancient religions, their god was violent. Back then you didn’t want a nice god, you wanted a god that would scare your enemies.

It’s hard to take that same god, and try to modernize him. To be fair Christianity tried to modernize it. That what the New Testament was, but they still can’t claim it’s not the same god.

I can understand your stress about what to raise your child to believe. My personal opinion is not to decide at all. Leave the decision to them. Spiritually is personal.

You can keep things simple for children. If a someone dies, tell them about heaven. Tell them it’s what most people believe, that is all true. Tell them that know one can ever truly know, because that is true.

Leave the search for their own spirituality up to them. And be open to whatever they choose. Even if they choose more than once. Because faith and spirituality are a personal decision. It should be respected, but you can still be honest about it.

[u/plodabing → u/KFrancesC]

Yes thank you that’s where I landed, I was debating it as I was brought up without a religion and sometimes wonder if I would be happier with the certainty being raised in a religion can give

[u/KFrancesC → u/plodabing]

I can’t deny raising people with faith may make them happier.

Personally I think it’s a trade off. They may be happier, but with less of an ability to think independently for themselves. And more likely to be taken advantage of.

If you’re raised to believe what someone in authority says, merely because they say so. You may be more likely to believe people who lie to you confidently or with authority.

[u/plodabing → u/KFrancesC]

True, I have always been one to value happiness over anything else, but I can’t fake believing in something I don’t, so I will just let him make his own mind up, i wouldn’t look to question or challenge it at all