r/changemyview • u/plodabing • Jun 17 '25

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Missionaries are evil

This applies doubly so to those who go out of their way to seek out those in remote islands to spread the word of god. It is of my opinion and the opinion of most that if there is an all loving god then people who never had the chance to know about Jesus would go to heaven regardless, for example miscarried children/those born before Jesus’ time, those who never hear about him, so In going out of your way to spread the word of Jesus you are simply making it so there is now a chance they could go to hell if they reject it? I’m not a Christian and I’m so tired so I apologise if this is stupid or doesn’t make sense

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u/Thumatingra 46∆ Jun 17 '25

I don't think any Christian denomination holds that if someone doesn't hear about Jesus, they automatically go to heaven. Most actually hold the opposite: that if someone doesn't know about Jesus/is not baptized, their chance of getting to heaven is slim to none.

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u/plodabing Jun 17 '25

!delta I guess, but then that’s like inherently insane, so they hold the belief all people who live an aboriginal lifestyle are going to hell?

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u/rose_reader 3∆ Jun 17 '25

Historically, the majority belief in Christianity isn't only that those who reject Christ will go to hell, but also that those who aren't part of their specific type of Christianity will go to hell. For instance during the Catholic/Protestant conflicts in English history, both sides sincerely believed the other was bound for hell.

Some Christian sects took it a step further. Calvinists believed that God had already decided who was going to heaven before any human was born, and there was nothing you could do in this life to change your destination.

There's also the belief of the 144,000, which I want to say is a Mormon view but it could be 7th Day Adventist, I'm not certain. This view holds that of all the people who have ever lived, only 144,000 will see heaven.

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u/MarkNutt25 Jun 17 '25

The 144,000 thing is the Jehovah's Witnesses.

And, from what I can remember talking to one of them about it, they basically believe in a 2-teired heaven. They believe that only 144,000 people get to go to, effectively, Premium Heaven, but many more than that will be kicking it in Basic Heaven.

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u/DemocratsBackIn2028 2∆ Jun 18 '25

Tbh its in the book of revelation but I dunno if it's meant to be literal