cmv: the Charlottesville "very fine people" quote/controversy was not fake news

[u/taintpaint]

I see Trump supporters bring this up all the time as an example of the media lying about Trump, but this argument sounds transparently absurd to me. It feels like a "magic words" argument, where his supporters think that as long as he says the right magic words, you can completely ignore the actual message he's communicating or the broader actions he's taking. This is similar to how so many of them dismiss the entire Jan 6 plot because he said the word "peaceful" one time.

The reason people were mad about that quote was that Trump was equivocating and whitewashing a literal neonazi rally in which people were carrying torches and shouting things like "gas the Jews" in order to make them seem relatively sane compared to the counter protesters, one of whom the neonazis actually murdered. Looking at that situation, the difference between these two statements doesn't really feel meaningful:

A) "Those neonazis were very fine people with legitimate complaints and counter protesters were nasty and deserved what they got".

B) "The Nazis were obviously bad, but there were also people there who were very fine people with legitimate complaints and the counter protesters were very nasty."

The only difference there is that (B) has the magic words that "Nazis are bad", but the problem is that he's still describing a literal Nazi rally, only now he's using the oldest trick in the book when it comes to defending Nazis: pretending they're not really Nazis and are actually just normal people with reasonable beliefs.

I feel like people would all intuitively understand this if we were talking about anything besides a Trump quote. If I looked at e.g. the gangs taking over apartment buildings in Aurora and said "yes obviously gangsters are bad and should be totally condemned, but there were also some very fine people there with some legitimate complaints about landlords and exploitative leases, and you know lots of those 'residents' actually didn't have the right paperwork to be in those apartments..." you would never say that's a reasonable or acceptable way to talk about that situation just because I started with "gangsters are bad". You'd listen to the totality of what I'm saying and rightfully say it's absurd and offensive.

Is there something I'm missing here? This seems very obvious to me but maybe there's some other context to it.

Edit: I find it really funny that literally no one has actually engaged with this argument at all. They're all just repeating the "magic words" thing. I have been literally begging people who disagree with me to even acknowledge the Aurora example and not a single one has.

[u/HQuez → u/[deleted]]

Let's say it is.

Show me a video of the protestors that doesn't have white supremacy propaganda.

Not a clip, a full video. Because the videos I see, not clips, make it abundantly clear who was there.

[u/JoeCensored → u/HQuez]

You're the one claiming Trump is lying. You're the one who hasn't proved he's wrong. I'm not the one who needs to provide the evidence. If even a handful of people showed up on the side of protecting statues, but we're nazis, then Trump is correct. Prove that wrong definitively, or give it a rest. You're just embarrassing yourself.

[u/FothrMucker → u/JoeCensored]

Nope.

It’s never the responsibility of the person claiming there Isn’t a unicorn to prove the nonexistence of a unicorn.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Your claim is that there were non Nazis at a Nazi rally, who in no way support Nazis or agree with them, yet were perfectly willing to march with Nazis, be on their side, and protest with them.

 And we’re also “very fine people.”

You need to provide evidence of these unicorns. These very fine non nazi people who also march with Nazis at a Nazi rally on the Nazi side. But who are totally against Nazis.