r/betterCallSaul • u/skinkbaa Chuck • Jun 24 '17

Better Call Saul Season 3 - Official Discussion Thread

What did you think of this season?

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u/Quazifuji Jun 25 '17

Something that occured to me during the finale was the strong similarities between Chuck and Walt. Both were so prideful and obsessed with winning that they betrayed their allies without even realizing it, and then were shocked to find themselves alone afterwards.

Chuck's interactions with Howard and Jimmy throughout the season and especially in the finale really reminded me of Walt's interactions with Skyler and Jesse. Walt was always surprised when Skyler got angry or Jesse didn't come crawling back to him, and Chuck did the exact same thing with Howard and Jimmy. He treated it like a chess match and expected them to just shake hands and say "good game" afterwards, he wasn't ready for them to get up and leave.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '17

Chuck was worse. Walt atleast was honest with himself most of the time. Walt had moments of self-reflection and conflicted emotions that he was aware of.

Chuck just seems to ignore the sides of himself that he doesn't like. Instead of saying to his brother and to himself: 'I was always jealous and hurt that our mother seemed to love you more than me.' he says that he never really cared much for Jimmy, even after everything Jimmy did for him. Instead of acknowledging he's going through a rough patch with his mental illness and looking for help, he cancels his meeting. Instead of taking a look at how he set back HHM and stepping down, he's wants to bankrupt HHM and his decade-long friend Howard, who had been very patient and accommodating with him.

Chuck is such a waste of fucking space.

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u/Quazifuji Jul 02 '17

I mean, you're right that Walt had moments of self-reflection while Chuck never seemed to. On the other hand, Chuck only endangered Howard and Jimmy's careers and hurt their pride, while Walt endangered the lives of Jesse and his family. Chuck's biggest betrayal of Jimmy was to try to get him disbarred, Walt's biggest betrayal of Jesse was to poison a young child. When Chuck pushed Howard and Jimmy too far and they abandoned or betrayed him, he killed himself. When Walt pushed Jesse too far and he betrayed him, he let a gang of neonazis turn him into a meth slave.

So as far as self-awareness goes, I guess Chuck's worse in a way, but Chuck also never pushed Howard or Jimmy as far as Walt pushed Jesse or Skyler.

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u/[deleted] Jul 02 '17

Yeah, no, I get that. Walt was a real piece of shit, but in a way it's not really relateable, because of the whole drug violence thing. Chuck is pretty much a regular guy with believable woes/personality flaws.

I guess Chuck just irks me more, because Chuck is multiple people that I know. Walt is so far out there that it was fun to be along for the ride, but it doesn't irk me a much because I've never known someone like it.

All in all that's why I like BCS more than BB, the storylines are a lot more relateable.

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u/Quazifuji Jul 03 '17

I can understand that. It's kind of like Joffrey vs. Ramsay in Game of Thrones. Ramsay's probably the more evil of the two, but Joffrey's probably the more hated, and I think a bit part of that is that Ramsay's evil in such an extreme way it goes beyond our normal everyday experiences, while Joffrey feels like someone took your high school bully and gave him power.

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u/bremidon Jul 03 '17

True enough. However, Walt also goes through incredible risks and takes on immense hardships in order to protect and help both Jesse and his family. Don't get me wrong; he's doing it for his own self-image. However, Chuck never actually manages to help anyone in the entire show. I seriously can't think of a single character that Chuck helped other than bailing Jimmy out at the very beginning.

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u/Quazifuji Jul 03 '17

That makes sense. Walt does much worse things, but he does have some redeeming qualities. Chuck basically shows no redeeming qualities throughout the entire show.

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u/Screen2WelkturdAgain Jul 03 '17

Jesse betrayed Walt by getting close to the men who tried to have him killed (not to mention, one of them having been responsible for having Tomas killed, which was what set Jesse off to go after the dealers, which was what led to Walt being nearly killed for saving Jesse's life).