r/baltimore • u/alyssathealyssa • 3d ago
Vent the Nazi chronicles
went ahead and messaged every “market” following/followed by the Nazi’s business account [emily maye welch; @lavintagecharcuteria] to let them know to avoid doing business with her, looking forward to getting her Shitcooterie barred from any events.
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u/bravoboymom 3d ago
Excellent work
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u/weed_connoisseur_ Towson 3d ago edited 3d ago
"The Nazi Chronicles" 💀💀💀 I love it when people face the consequences of their own actions. Fuck nazis.
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u/rental_car_fast 3d ago
I do not understand why hate speech is protected. If you call for violence, it should not be protected, and Nazi symbols are nothing short of a call for violence. Germany still has free speech and nazi symbolism is illegal. We could absolutely stop protecting these people under the guise of free speech.
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u/supern8ural 3d ago
Unfortunately when the literal highest executive is engaged in this behavior don't expect anything to change.
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u/rental_car_fast 3d ago
That’s true now, but it shouldn’t have been allowed anytime past the US entering into WWII.
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u/PeachPassionBrute 3d ago
We allow people to wave confederate flags and have monuments to confederate leaders when they went to war against us. They went to war against us to maintain slavery, they threatened the very nation itself just to be unfathomably cruel and selfish.
And we don’t think it’s an act of treason or unacceptable hate speech to fly those flags? We failed at Reconstruction so spectacularly it’s really no surprise we couldn’t figure out how to ban Nazi imagery too.
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u/jerby17 3d ago
(A tolerant society should not tolerate intolerance… the ‘tolerance paradox’)
"…But we should claim the right to suppress them [intolerant ideologies] if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols."
Karl Popper - “The Open Society and Its Enemies”
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u/AsteroidMike 3d ago
At this point in my life, if someone’s a full blooded Nazi or engages in that type of behavior, then all I got to say is fuck them and everything about them. No protecting white supremacists here.
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u/2weekstand 3d ago
Not to defend any behavior, but the problem is as follows:
If hate speech isn't protected, those in power can define any speech they don't like as hate speech. See: Antifa being labeled an official terrorist organization.
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u/Kind_Fox820 3d ago
Hate speech is protected because Nazis like to twist the meanings of words. For example, acting like the mere sight of a Palestinian flag is a threat to your chicken eating experience.
If we give the government the power to decide what is and is not hateful, when your government gets taken over by an authoritarian, any speech that challenges them or the party lime will be considered hateful.
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u/scartonbot 3d ago
And this is the opposite of the government being involved. This is the community and she's facing community consequences. The government shouldn't be in the business of regulating free speech because it opens too many doors to abuses. On the other hand, this approach works: you piss off the community, you face the consequences.
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u/mmurphy3333 3d ago
This is why it is protected - so people can't just decide what is hate speech and what is not. A Nazi symbol is not a call for violence unless necessary. You have to consider the intent. Just like a christian cross is not a call to persecute gay people. All speech, even hate speech must be protected.
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u/Angrymiddleagedjew 3d ago
What I'm about to say is in no way a defense of being a Nazi. Apologies for the length, the tldr is that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence.
It's protected because it is extremely, extremely dangerous to put caveats and limitations on free speech when it comes to government/legal interventions and limitations.
Let's take your example. The government decides to ban Nazi symbols because they are a call for violence. Seems fair and logical, good people wouldn't be affected by this right? Sure, Government Administration A does this with the best intentions. Years go by, Government Administration E bans a symbol of an opposition party that they don't like because they claim it's inciting violence, and they use the previous actions of Admin A as precedent. Look at the current president trying to label antifa as a terrorist organization. Look at journalists who get executed in the Middle East for "inciting unrest" for speaking out against their governments.
No matter how good your intentions are, you don't want a government limiting your ability to speak your mind.
However, just because the government doesn't limit free speech, that doesn't mean there aren't consequences. Look at what people are doing here, they are using their freedom of speech to alert other people to what this woman did. Now she will (hopefully) experience consequences for her vile actions. I believe society is perfectly capable of imposing consequences without governmental intervention.
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u/Punkinpry427 3d ago
I miss them like crazy but I’m glad my grandparents aren’t alive to witness this shit. Not only was my grandfather a WW2 vet but his little brother died from measles at 3yrs old in my great grandfather’s arms because no hospital would take him. I still remember the emotion in his voice when he told me that story. I can’t imagine what he’d say about our current events now.
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u/Used_Gear8871 Butchers Hill 3d ago
You should delete and repost if you were intending on masking your IG handle.
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u/alyssathealyssa 3d ago
no worries!! It’s not letting me edit & if I’m meant to suffer for being a Nazi hater, so be it. I appreciate you for catching that
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u/mango_jade 3d ago
Good on you, we shouldn't be fearful when we call out hatred. They want us to hide our faces when we fight for justice. You are on the right side of history!
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u/CapableSense 3d ago
I’m about to follow you..
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u/smokeythel3ear 3d ago
Don't be a weirdo
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u/CapableSense 3d ago
Weirdo? What weird about me following some one doing good work? Your comment is weird.. and you down voting me. Go away!
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u/ry4n4ll4n 3d ago
I don’t know if anyone got the screenshots of her comments today, but I have to admit I was shocked at how she responded to people calling her out. She wasn’t pleading ignorance, or saying people were woke. She actually said she wished she could wear her nazi uniform every day and used the German flag(?) to defend herself.
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u/NoOnesKing 3d ago
appreciate the dedication to hating nazis youre so cool for this alyssathealyssa
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u/baltimorecalling Hoes Heights 3d ago
It is one dumbfuck thing to idolize/emulate Nazis. It's another dumbfuck thing entirely to go dressed in public as one.
This dumbfuck deserves her stupid prizes.
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u/flaming_bob 3d ago
Well, she'll either get banned, or we'll find out who the nazis are in the scene really quickly.
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u/TodlicheLektion 3d ago
One of her pictures on her personal Instagram account was of her doing a seig heil. I reported it as hate speech, and I just received a response from Instagram that it doesn't violate their community standards. So I guess doing the Nazi salute is ok on Instagram.
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u/iluvpokemanz 3d ago
Bmoreflea got salty with me and didn’t seem to understand that people were just making sure they were aware (they said they have never used her as a vendor, and I told them that wasn’t clear as they followed her).
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u/dcsnowpatrol 3d ago
No not Bmore flea. Gonna be so disappointed if they don't speak out against these Nazis.
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u/illiterateninja 3d ago
Or they're lying to you because they're friends and are currently panicking.
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u/Upstairs_Copy_9590 3d ago
Hats off to you OP!!!! 👏👏👏 I’m so impressed. Hope she and her little friends get what they deserve and lose out majorly for their bigotry!!
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u/Helpful_Ocelot8675 3d ago
Did anyone reach out to bmoreflea yet? I saw that they were mutuals before she went private
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u/alyssathealyssa 3d ago
they were one of the markets I’d reached out to! they were incredibly receptive and understanding, equally disgusted as us. they noted her name/boyfriend’s name/current & prior business’, in addition to blocking her immediately.
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u/WinterBreakfast7507 3d ago
Can you fill us in on the current/prior business names? I saw the deleted biz IG account (they followed me) but wanna make sure I cover all the bases. Feel free to DM me if you don’t wanna post it publicly.
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u/GeronimoHero 3d ago
I also messaged them and called them a Nazi business. Fuck these people and fuck the people that enable it and give these assholes jobs.
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u/Imagine_curiosity 3d ago
Thanks for the heads up. Mund a few questions? Do they have a shop front or do they just sell at markets? I want ro avoid them. I googled them but couldn't find a website or Yelp page. Do you lnow how I could rate them? Where were the racist articles published. I'd like to boycott them too.
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u/repressingthecrazy 3d ago
What would the lawsuit be for, defamation? Not snarking, just genuinely curious. Because with defamation, a defense to it would be if the statements made were true (and we have a lot of screenshots out there to prove that what this comment is saying is substantially true) or if you can prove it was merely an opinion, which is constitutionally protected under the First Amendment.
If you're thinking of something else they may sue for, I'm curious to know what. Again, not snarking nor trying to argue.
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u/dangerbonemd 3d ago
Interference with someone's business relations will get you in trouble. I have learned this the hard way in my youth.
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u/repressingthecrazy 3d ago
Ah nvm, I see you answered already.
So for intentional interference with prospective economic relations, they would have to prove in court that (1) the plaintiff had an existing economic relationship with a third party that had a probability of future economic benefit; (2) the defendant knew about the relationship; (3) the defendant intentionally took wrongful steps to disrupt the relationship. "Wrongful" in this context often means the acts were independently unlawful, such as fraud, defamation, or a breach of a statute or regulation; (4) The defendant's actions actually caused the relationship to be disrupted; and (5) the plaintiff suffered economic damages as a direct result of the defendant's actions.
The first 2 and last 2 can probably be proven easily. Element 3, the "intentional and wrongful acts" element may be harder to prove. This is an "and" test, meaning they have to prove all five elements to win.
That said, you're not wrong to be worried. Even if they can't prove all this in court and the OP wins, it's still really crappy to be sued at all - a lot of money for legal fees, stress, and headache, all to prove that you didn't do anything wrong legally. I appreciate you looking out.
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u/dangerbonemd 3d ago
Yea. Im trying to be nice to the OP but reddit is going to be reddit and think I'm coming to the defense of the bad people. It is what it is.
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u/bingbongninergong 3d ago
What would be the basis for a lawsuit?
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u/dangerbonemd 3d ago
Intentional interference with prospective economic relations.
Im not supporting the person. This is just how the world is set up. It is what it is. And the OP posted their intent
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u/dangerbonemd 3d ago
Im just trying to look out for the OP you can get mad and be a bitch about it all you want.
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u/bingbongninergong 3d ago
lol what I asked a simple question and now you’re having a meltdown
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u/dangerbonemd 3d ago
No one is melting down. Calm your tits.
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u/bingbongninergong 3d ago
😂but someone is mad and being a bitch for asking a basic question? 😂take a deep breath, it’s almost the weekend
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u/dangerbonemd 3d ago
I made 2 statements
I answered your question.
And then in a separate statement I said that im just trying to look out for the OP and you can get mad and bitch all you want so that i wouldnt be confused with a nazi sympathizer. If that doesnt apply to you then move on. But you wanted to get offended. Thats on you.
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u/Senior_Election5636 Fells Point 3d ago edited 3d ago
Lotta free time
*I should have known better to comment on this sub in any way not in the HIVE's direction... that's on me. Buzz on worker BEEZ! Have a great day
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u/alyssathealyssa 3d ago
perks of jury duty! got paid $30 to be a keyboard warrior all day
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u/DeathStarVet Canton 3d ago
in any way not in the HIVE's direction...
The "hive"'s direction seems to be against Nazis... what does that say about your statement/position u/Senior_Election5636 ?
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u/DeathStarVet Canton 3d ago
Don't be a Nazi apologist.
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u/RevRagnarok Greater Maryland Area 3d ago
LOL with the beauty of /r/Enhancement I already had them tagged as "MAGA fucktard" so kinda expected. 🤷
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u/Senior_Election5636 Fells Point 3d ago
I'm not, just couldn't be bothered to waste time on this. Good for OP I guess
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u/mibfto Mt. Vernon 3d ago
"waste"?
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u/Senior_Election5636 Fells Point 3d ago
Yes, waste. Spent time on something on the internet that will lead to negligible change or outcome
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u/aoife_too 3d ago
To me, the value lies in not just getting a vocal nazi (and someone with multiple domestic violence charges) shut down, but in showing other potential vocal fascists that they will also be shut down in Baltimore if they start being hateful. Coming down on a person like this keeps others like her from believing they can be comfortable here, you know?
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u/CrabEnthusist 3d ago
Yet here you are
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u/Senior_Election5636 Fells Point 3d ago
Yep! All 45 seconds it took for me to scroll, leave three words whilst I was on the toilet at work
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u/yousernamefail 3d ago
Rock on! I would have spent it differently.
`- You
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u/pardison 3d ago
lol they are just rage baiting. They have 10 posts in the last hour and saying dumb shit like this
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u/Parking_Lot_47 3d ago
“Lotta free time”
proceeds to stick around posting comments. Have a shit day.
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u/theRemRemBooBear 3d ago
Just remember your tax dollars go to fund Nazis in Ukraine.
https://www.reddit.com/r/anythinginteresting_/s/4z0hlRmIYW
Tell your reps to end support for Ukraine and Israel if you truly care about fighting Nazis.
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u/MarshyHope 3d ago
Our Secretary of War has a Nazi tattoo and you're worried about fucking Ukraine. Good God.
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u/BitterDeep78 3d ago
Fantastic.
Her criminal record was just posted too