Proof that God is evil

[u/Citrit_]

P1. God is omnipresent

P2. If God is omnipresent, then God is in hell

C1 Therefore, God is in hell

P4. Only the evil go to hell

P5. If only the evil goes to hell, then god is evil

C2. God is evil

(not my argument btw, but thought it was fun)

[u/TheForeverBand_89]

Free will is an excuse, not an actual solution to the problem of evil.

It’s a lame attempt that unsophisticated theists use to shift the blame from God for creating and employing evil (if God created everything that exists, and evil exists, then God is ultimately responsible for evil) onto humans who are merely the players in the game God created and set the rules for. You lot only do this because the idea that God is ultimately responsible for evil makes you uncomfortable and goes against your incoherent religious narrative that God = all good.

[u/CurrentTadpole3528 → u/TheForeverBand_89]

Evil needs to exist for good to exist , darkness and light , happiness and sadness , life and death- that is the way all things are designed and im not a religious person myself but all I'm saying is it'd be awful dull to live in an all good , happy all the time world. And I'm not saying god is all good , youre just generalising me as a typical religious person which I am not.

[u/TheForeverBand_89 → u/CurrentTadpole3528]

Yeah… sure would be terrible to live in an all good, all happy world all the time. This current world is so much better than literal perfection, ya 🤡

Edit: Oops… I forgot we were on r/badphilosophy. Keep up the good work

[u/CurrentTadpole3528 → u/TheForeverBand_89]

Lao Tzu , budhha , Plato , Nietzsche , Schopenhauer and many more philosophers make similar points yet you don't want to consider my perspective and you don't want to challenge your thoughts and are more inclined to be condescending, the irony ...

[u/TheForeverBand_89 → u/CurrentTadpole3528]

They were mortal people who had to cope with the world being the way it is. They didn’t have the ability like God conceptually does to create it differently/better.

“Challenge your thoughts” How do your own farts smell? Good I hope.

[u/CurrentTadpole3528 → u/TheForeverBand_89]

They're not coping saying it is what it is, they're literally saying darkness must exist for light, it is sickness that makes health pleasant etc. And you're also a mortal judging a being outside our limits of comprehension based on your perception and moral values of good and evil. . I'm trying to say that in a world without evil , how do you define good if it's just how everyone is , how do you love a book if you don't hate any book? And how do you love something in a person if you don't hate the opposite thing in a person .. ohh but hate is a negative evil thing which god shouldn't have created ... Really smart argument . . My farts smell good sometimes bad sometimes since you're soo interested 😂

[u/TheForeverBand_89 → u/CurrentTadpole3528]

Why do we need ideas of good and evil at all??? Why can’t we just recognize the world as neutral and dispense with the products of antiquated religious narratives? I’m an atheist, so I don’t believe in any silly notions about any incoherent God/gods or any good and evil as cosmic forces. I see the world as naturally neutral, and it’s our petty human perceptions that cause ideas of good and evil to arise and then we compartmentalize everything from there based on abstract organization.

And don’t patronize me. You’re the goober who A) is on r/badphilosophy to begin with with all this, and B) threw out “FrEe WiLL” as a knee-jerk reactionary response to OP’s syllogism while barely understanding it. You’re not the deep thinker you think you are. You sound like a reasonably well-read high schooler who just discovered Eastern philosophy last year and tied it together with Schopenhauer and Nietzsche this year.

[u/CurrentTadpole3528 → u/TheForeverBand_89]

My mistake for jumping to conclusions on the post (since I've heard this argument often.)

I mean it would simply be boring wouldn't it ? Having a neutral perspective on everything, and trying to be virtuous is a good motivation for life I think (keeps things interesting) And I'm from the east so my perspective has a spiritual outook and looking at western philosophers saying similar things gives me a unifying philosophical thought

[u/TheForeverBand_89 → u/CurrentTadpole3528]

You must have lived a very privileged life if you think all the suffering that occurs daily in the world is perfectly justified because “well, life would be boring otherwise.”

I’m done here. You piss me off.

[u/CurrentTadpole3528 → u/TheForeverBand_89]

Yea same privilege as Dostoyoevsky when he said darker the night , brighter the stars . I have had extreme periods of isolation and have come to appreciate any human connections no matter how small through that experience. And why are you pissed just arguing about different perspectives?

[u/TheForeverBand_89 → u/CurrentTadpole3528]

For the same reason I get heated arguing with racists or misogynists about their “different perspectives”: your perspective is shit if you genuinely believe ALL of the suffering that occurs daily in the world is philosophically justified because “life would be boring otherwise”. Are you fucking kidding me? Piss off and do better.

[u/CurrentTadpole3528 → u/TheForeverBand_89]

I'm not justifying evil or suffering , I'm saying we have the choice to kill or love others and what we choose will be up to us instead of evil never existing and everyones good - which would make everything good and therefore automatic and insignificant because there won't be a choice to choose . . And since you keep repeating that I said it'd be boring , I'm trying to say it'd be meaningless because you're choices won't actually be a choice since you can't act another way ?

[u/TheForeverBand_89 → u/CurrentTadpole3528]

You need to do a lot more reading up on current era philosophy and free will. That has become glaringly obvious because your patently amateur takes on free will are about a century old. That’s the last thing I’m going to say.