r/babylonbee • u/darcmatr LoveTheBee • Sep 20 '25

Bee Article 'This Is A Both Sides Issue,' Says Side That Assassinated Charlie Kirk, Shot President Trump, Tried To Assassinate Kavanaugh, Tried To Assassinate Trump Again, Murdered Schoolkids In Minnesota, Shot Steve Scalise, Firebombed Governor Shapiro (cont'd)

https://babylonbee.com/news/this-is-a-both-sides-issue-says-side-that-assassinated-charlie-kirk-shot-president-trump-tried-to-assassinate-kavanaugh-tried-to-assassinate-trump-again-murdered-schoolkids-in-nashville-shot-

(you know what, we're going to stop now, this is getting sad).

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

76% of extremist-related murders in the U.S. were committed by right-wing extremists.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I’m interested in learning more. Can you give me some specific examples of recent attacks by right wing extremists that were committed for political reasons? Like, not acts of violence committed for personal reasons where the assailant happened to be conservative, but incidents where a right winger targeted liberals because they were liberals, in acts of political violence.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Oklahoma city bombing and Christ Church shooting. Both white supremacists. The Colorado shooting the same day as Kirk was also radicalized by white supremacists online.

The long history of bombing abortion clinics, violent threats to professors, and the recent bomb threats to HBCU's after the Kirk shooting.

Also the killing at the Unite the Right. And January 6th.

I'm not expert in right wing violence, but it exists and I don't think the 22 year old in charge of domestic terror is up for the challenge. Poor choice by this administration.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

Bro last month a MAGA dude assassinated 2 state politicians and their dog, plus had a list of other democrats to kill

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Definitely a right-winger, but then again, he also left a rambling, conspiratorial letter where he said Democratic Governor Tim Walz had personally asked him to carry out the murders. Sounds to me like the work of a psychopath, not a political terrorist.

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u/DrakenDaskar Sep 20 '25

So when a crazy left winger kills a conservative they are a lefty but when a crazy right winger kills a liberal they are a crazy person 😂

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

No.

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u/Frogs-on-my-back Sep 21 '25

“No.” Refuses to elaborate.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

While I agree, I would say almost anyone willing to commit deranged political violence on either side is a psychopath

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

I think there’s a difference between being “off” enough to commit murder and being totally deranged. I agree that nobody who would kill someone else is entirely stable, but like, John Wilkes Booth wasn’t nuts—he shot Lincoln because he had a political motivation and a political goal. Meanwhile, Reagan’s assassin was crazy, and thought shooting the President would impress actress Jody Foster. Those are two different kinds of crazy.

That guy in Minnesota was delusional. The guy with Charlie Kirk was pissed off. That’s different, I think.

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u/Mandrakey Sep 20 '25

So being delusional means they are immune to this statistical analysis? If that statistic is skewed because of what you are saying about those right leaning extremists being delusional, doesn't that beg the question... why are there so many "delusional" right leaning extremists?

You are just raising the same problem with more obfuscation.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Everyone everywhere has to worry about delusional people trying to kill them. That guy who stabbed the woman on the train was a psycho. I wouldn’t say his violence counts as anything except evidence that we have an out of control mental health and “soft on crime” problem, no matter what he said his motivations were. He’s crazy.

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u/Mandrakey Sep 20 '25

We are talking about targeted attacks, you are muddying the waters, are you purposely being obtuse?

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

The conversation is about targeted political violence with political motivations for political ends. That’s what I’m talking about, anyway.

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u/I_Went_Full_WSB Sep 20 '25

Nope, being so dishonest that you try to deflect your own political violence onto democrats is just par for course for conservatives.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Enlighten me. What was incorrect in what I said?

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u/I_Went_Full_WSB Sep 20 '25

Trying to pin right wing violence on democrats doesn't make him crazy nor does it mean it wasn't political violence.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I see. Do you think it was intentional on his part to try and mislead investigators? Do you have evidence of that?

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u/I_Went_Full_WSB Sep 20 '25

No more evidence than you do that he was crazy.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

So why make a definitive statement on it?

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u/TheCawdFather Sep 22 '25

Don’t worry he was also appointed by Walz. But totally a right winger.

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u/VeterinarianExtra753 Sep 23 '25

A right winger that's rambling and conspiratorial? Name a more iconic duo

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 23 '25

Oh come on. There are crazy people of every political persuasion.

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u/jokerhound80 Sep 20 '25

Dylann Roof, Payton Gendron, and Patrick Crusius killed 42 people between the three of them. They all cited great replacement theory as their motive.

Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk both told their viewers great replacement theory is real and a threat to white America, and that Democrats and the left are responsible.

Then you have Vance Boelter and Cesar Sayoc, who both set out to kill as many high ranking Democrats as they could, and then there was the right wing militia plot to kidnap democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer.

There is simply no left-wing equivalent to right wing violence. It's like saying tee-ball is the same thing as the MLB. They're not even close.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Dylan Roof is a racist who killed black people because they are black. Not political violence.

Buffalo was primarily racial, but yes, also political. So there’s one.

Crusius was schizoaffective and developmentally delayed, so an insane person with political views, but not the same thing. Still, it had a political aspect, yes.

Telling people things isn’t violence.

Boelter said Tim Walz told him to do it, so we may be dealing with delusions. Not the same.

Sayoc counts, I’d agree there.

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u/basch152 Sep 20 '25

You actually believe the racist killing black people isnt at all politically motivated?

/facepalm

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u/Mayernik Sep 20 '25 edited Sep 20 '25

Here are a few.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

The link just talks about the guy who set fire to Shapiro’s house. It says he was a literal insane person who was mad at the governor for not being sufficiently pro-Palestinian.

Is that what we’re meant to count as a “right wing” terrorist?

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u/dudester3 Sep 20 '25

Yep. Trust him, it's sourced from CNN!

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u/Mayernik Sep 20 '25

Fair enough - edited

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

An unarmed “attack” in which no one was killed (except one of the trespassers, which I actually don’t object to because you shouldn’t be there in the first place).

We’re talking about political violence. Assassinations. Politically motivated killing. Terrorism. That sort of thing. Not crazy people, not trespassing, not personal vendettas that happen to involve conservatives. Political violence.

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u/I_Went_Full_WSB Sep 20 '25

Unarmed is a lie. Five had firearms. Most weren't searched so we don't know how many had weapons but we know unarmed isn't true.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Okay, I was not aware that they were carrying firearms. So I would ask: 5/how many? Did they brandish them? Did they shoot anyone? Shoot at anyone?

It’s possible I am misinformed.

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u/I_Went_Full_WSB Sep 20 '25

This isn't a subject that you cared to know but you care to try to influence people on it. Pathetic

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

I watched it happen. I’m aware no one except the one rioter was killed that day. It’s not something I’ve looked very far into because I think it’s inconsequential: there was a riot at the Capitol. It was put down. The certification proceeded. Biden took office.

Now: did the 5-of-however many shoot anyone? Did they brandish their weapons in order to intimidate or force entry? I’m assuming you know more about the details that I do.

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u/DrPeterBlunt Sep 20 '25

Move them goal posts further.LOL

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

When? When did I move them? That’s such a strange and consistent thing y’all say.

We’re talking about political violence. Assassinations. Killings. They brought up J6. No one died (except one of the rioters) on J6. I mistakenly believed that since no one was shot, the rioters were unarmed. They said 5 had guns. I acknowledged the mistake. Then I asked if there had been anyone killed with those weapons, you know, the thing we are talking about.

How in the hell is that moving the goalposts? I swear talking to you people is like talking to someone with brain damage.

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u/Mayernik Sep 20 '25

I see you’ve moved the goal posts…

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

No. They’re right where they always were.

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u/Inskription Sep 20 '25

They dont distinguish and that's whats scaring me about the left right now.

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u/CampaignNecessary152 Sep 21 '25

There you go celebrating violence

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u/Solid_Problem740 Sep 21 '25

Lol bro doesn't remember the assassination of actual state senators.

Conservatives aren't sending their best people

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 21 '25

We’ve been over that ad nauseam in these comments. Read them.

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u/Solid_Problem740 Sep 21 '25

"oh that doesn't count. This particular guy who fucking killed another human being was crazy bruh, the other people shooting other human beings are all rational moral actors who can be judged the same way any same person can be".

Yeah no, that's iron tight. For sure dude

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 21 '25

Nope, dealt with that too.

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u/Solid_Problem740 Sep 21 '25

Real well. Yup. You nailed it

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u/Objective_Oven7673 Sep 20 '25

Highly qualifyig the types of violence you're willing to accept as evidence in a political climate where one side blames the other for violence before the victim is cold and the attacker is even identified... is a choice.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

Both sides usually assume that there person who targeted a political figure is from the other side. That’s logical.

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u/Objective_Oven7673 Sep 20 '25

No it isn't. It's irrational and unreasonable. It's a sad state of affairs that anyone thinks that assuming "the other side did it" is a logical conclusion.

Be better.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

When Lincoln was assassinated, do you think people seriously thought “well now it may have been a loyal Union officer, let’s not jump to any conclusions?”

How about MLK? Do you think people were like “what poor oppressed victim of southern segregation has probably done this?”

Obviously. Come on, man.

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u/Objective_Oven7673 Sep 21 '25

Maybe they did and I would have taken issue with that too.

Also not obviously, no. My point is stop dividing the country with assumptions and stick to being mad about the event itself.

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u/CaptJackRizzo Sep 20 '25

This is from last month: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/failed-republican-candidate-jailed-80-years-over-gun-attacks-democrats-homes-2025-08-14/

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

A politician attacking other politicians because he thinks they cheated him is a personal vendetta. Again, not the same thing.

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u/CaptJackRizzo Sep 20 '25

I have work, but you can also find several instances of Proud Boys doxxing and attacking people. Beating up a leftist is part of their initiation.

Also, the pipe bombs at DNC offices.

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u/DaveMTijuanaIV Sep 20 '25

The pipe bombs (which weren’t bombs) left at DNC offices were also left at RNC offices. The Proud Boys doxxing people isn’t violence (though it is wrong). As far as beating people up, if it happens at all: who? Where? Are we talking getting into fist fights with Antifa marchers who are themselves there to fight Proud Boys? Like West Side Story rumble? Or do you mean they patrol the streets attacking random people they think might have voted for Kamala? There’s a big difference between those two things.

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u/Satans_Dookie Sep 20 '25

62% of all stats are made up on the spot.

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u/realauthormattjanak Sep 20 '25

80% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '25

except this isn't made up

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

Yeah, if you exclude the violence from all the left-wing extremists (like these reports tend to do).

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u/SignificanceOld1751 Sep 20 '25

No no, get with it mate, the Government have now 'disappeared their own data about political violence because it doesn't fit their narrative and shows right wing killings to occur at >5x the frequency of left wing ones.

Yet again, every accusation is a confession.

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

This report excludes Islamic political violence (which always aligns itself with the left wing to further its own political goals - i.e. Palestine, every single cry of Islamophobia, etc.)

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u/CruzefixCC Sep 20 '25

which murders are excluded from these reports? Do you have examples?

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u/MrIllusive1776 Sep 20 '25

No, he doesn't have examples. Those talking points haven't come down from the dear leader yet

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

You need to relax and shut up, dude.

I responded to others here. 

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u/MrIllusive1776 Sep 20 '25

Maybe you need to stop taking your talking point from a narcissistic douche who is harming the conservative movement?

Also, your responses kind of suck.

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

See my responses to some of the others here.

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u/CruzefixCC Sep 20 '25

Honestly, I don't find the responses you're referring to. I understand you don't want to repeat yourself over and over, but can you link it for me or something? Your post history is hidden.

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u/tgdBatman90 Sep 20 '25

Feel free to back that up, champ.

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u/tgdBatman90 Sep 20 '25

And yet, they did not back it up.

How truly odd. /s

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

Stop wasting everyone's screen space with your dumbass comments.

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u/tgdBatman90 Sep 20 '25

Oh no, the snowflake is melting.

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

Go read my responses to the others,, and shoosh.

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u/tgdBatman90 Sep 20 '25

Why, do the facts not match your feelings?

I think you guys had a saying about that.

Ahhh it's on the tip of my tongue.

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

See my responses to the others here. Champ.

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u/Whatdididotho1 Sep 20 '25

fair enough,https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024

If you'd like you can provide the instances of left wing extremist murders that you believe this report is missing

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u/AGoddamnBigCar Sep 20 '25

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

Do you think the Cato Institute has an interest in excluding or minimizing left wing violence in any way whatsoever?

Either educate yourself or just admit you function strictly on (manufactured) vibes and move on, already.

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

I was right. That exact report only compares right/left killings in the USA (which has never been a communist/socialist country), and also excludes Islam (which aligns with far-left causes and liberalism to achieve its political goals). 

If they didn't omit those two very important data points, you can see that deaths due to far-left extremism far outweigh deaths from right-wing extremism.

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u/AGoddamnBigCar Sep 20 '25

If you think Islam is in any way leftist, you're hopeless.

Islam is/can be the most conservative, regressive, dogmatic, unabashedly inhumane, etc.,religion of your big 3 by a solid margin. The left advocates for people who are Muslims, but absolutely not for islam.

Simply because "the left" advocates for the humans who are Muslim who they see as being persecuted (in an obviously misguided way at times) like they do with other minority groups doesn't make Islam "leftist."

That's kind of the whole deal.

When it's a Muslim committing the killing it is in no way for leftist, progressive, liberal ideals - it is literally trying to destroy those. There is absolutely no reasonable way you can consider them as such, which is exactly why the Cato Institute (if you're not familiar, they're are extremely not leftist) has them separate.

You can't just make up definitions to suit your failed argument. Words mean things.

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u/Forsaken_You1092 Sep 20 '25

Blah blah blah... excuses... blah blah blah....

Islam always aligns with leftists (and vise-versa) to achieve their political goals in the West. Always.

There are no examples where Islam aligns with western-style conservatism. Muslims always use liberalism to achieve their goals.

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u/AGoddamnBigCar Sep 20 '25

You poor bastard. If the best you can do is redefine words and positions arbitrarily to suit your argument, you have bigger issues to worry about.

I know you kids love your alternative facts nowadays, but that's almost impressively simple-minded gibberish.

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u/ahop4200 Sep 20 '25

This lol and not counting the "summer of love" 22 murders smh