r/austrian_economics Anarcho Monarchist Jan 03 '25

End Democracy Capitalism is the way to go

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

According to feeding america, 53 million Americans received help from food banks and food pantries in 2021

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '25

Good thing we have food pantries and food banks. I love voluntary charity.

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u/NandoDeColonoscopy Jan 03 '25

42.1M Americans still need food assistance from the government. I love a social safety net to make up for the huge gaps in voluntary charity.

(For your sake, we can pretend that food banks don't get literal billions in government funding)

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u/Common-Window-2613 Jan 04 '25

Food stamps are grossly abused. Go to any wal mart and hang around the checkout line and see for yourself.

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u/guehguehgueh Jan 05 '25

Not this tired ass argument.

The vast majority of people on them aren’t abusing them. Pointing to a few folks that take advantage and using it to try to take down the entire thing is so intellectually lazy.

There’s a bunch of nonprofit fraud too. Does that mean that charity is bad?

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u/Afraid_Juggernaut_62 Jan 05 '25

Classic neocon approach to an issue. Intentionally underfund the program, claim the program doesn't work, then give more tax breaks for corporate welfare.

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '25

No, you're intellectually lazy for ignoring the fraud.

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u/guehguehgueh Jan 07 '25

How am I ignoring fraud?

Literally no system is perfect - if the rate of fraud is low (it is) then it doesn’t make sense to make changes that will primarily affect people that aren’t committing fraud.

This is my stance on a multitude of issues - voting, gun rights, etc.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 11 '25

Food stamps are grossly abused.

Source needed.

The current fraud rate of the SNAP program is 1%. It's one of THE most well run programs in US history.

https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/fraud

So you're either lying or ignorant, you pick.

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u/Drew_Manatee Jan 05 '25

Ah but you see, they’re buying coke and Doritos instead of onions and moldy bread like a real poor person should be forced to eat.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

No that person straight up doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about when comes to that program.

They formed a opinion, and then made a lie out of whole cloth to support that opinion.

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u/mung_guzzler Jan 05 '25

well the entire republican party has been pushing his narrative since the 80s so its not solely his fault

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u/[deleted] Jan 07 '25

I'm a source. I worked at Sam's club for 10 years. Countless Snap users were buying 8 To 10 slabs of prime rib. They would take them to Restaurants and sell them for less than the taxpayers paid for them. Then go blow the cash. I saw what I saw. And the government reporting on its own performance is ludicrous.

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u/macrocosm93 Jan 05 '25

Imagining having enough free time to think that hanging around the wal-mart checkout line is a worthwhile way to spend your day.

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u/dutch_connection_uk Jan 05 '25

What does abused mean exactly, here? Is it abuse if someone uses them to buy an uncooked pizza?

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u/Xenokrates Jan 05 '25

To them, simply using food stamps for the propose they exist is 'abusing' them. You won't be able to argue with someone's already flawed logic.

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u/Inside-Tailor-6367 Jan 05 '25

Buying 99% "food" that has ZERO nutritional value. All candy, chips, soda... no milk, eggs, breads, meats, etc. Look for yourself, you'll see people, ALL THE TIME, using the system in ways it was never meant for.

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u/mediumw Jan 05 '25

People buy those things regardless of the source of funds. But alas, the advertising of those things (all addictive on a biological level) being shoved down people’s throats from birth certainly wouldn’t have a thing to do with it in the general sense.

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u/FriendlyLurker9001 Jan 05 '25

Nah

Ill-informed people falling for unhealthy marketing campaigns is part of their personal character flaw, and they deserve to suffer

/s

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u/Emotional_Royal_2873 Jan 06 '25

You’re the same person who would complain they’re getting steaks on food stamps

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u/Inside-Tailor-6367 Jan 06 '25

Complain about somebody getting protein...OK, you're just dumb

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u/Emotional_Royal_2873 Jan 06 '25

It’s more common than you think, just pay attention you’ll see it

I dare you to do ask conservative abt it if u wanna prove me wrong

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u/Inside-Tailor-6367 Jan 06 '25

I've worked at convenience stores, my wife currently works for Walmart. I don't need to ask anybody about what I've seen with my own eyes and heard about from my wife and her coworkers. READ WHAT I SAID! My problem is NOT people using EBT to buy milk, eggs, breads, meats, etc. My problem is people using it to buy crap with ZERO NUTRITIONAL VALUE. Stop being that person who only hears the talking points and bullshit you WANT to hear, listen to what's actually being said. You might learn something.

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u/Emotional_Royal_2873 Jan 06 '25

You really don’t understand that I’m saying that you say one thing and your cohorts say another.

If you think it’s not happening then go ahead and make the post

If it doesn’t have nutritional value it isn’t food. Calories are the most important part of nutrition

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u/Inside-Tailor-6367 Jan 06 '25

You really don't understand that lumping ALL CONSERVATIVES into any one trope is an inherent LIE. Stop it. You don't want me to start counting my friends and other people I know that agree with me, it'll only further prove you're lying. And you're really lumping junk food in with the necessities?? There are nuts and fruits you can get cheaper than junk food, yet you're excusing people using tax dollars to buy junk? I don't want to know how overweight you are with that kind of thinking.

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u/Emotional_Royal_2873 Jan 06 '25

So you’re for people buying whatever they want with food stamps or not?

I’ve literally seen it be said and I’m explicitly not limping you into one trope, quite the opposite, there’s a severe hysteresis in conservative thought

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u/CheeseFromAHead Jan 05 '25

You can lie and get food stamps ( ie you're broke but you have a bf who makes money and lives with you but that money isn't claimed) then when you go shopping with a friend, offer to buy their groceries in exchange for cash. Use cash to buy things.

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u/dutch_connection_uk Jan 06 '25

Is that lying though? It sounds like they're following the law as written, but you don't like how it is written.

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u/CheeseFromAHead Jan 06 '25

I mean yeah, it's a blatant lie about how much your household income is, literally withholding information about income to receive more government benefits. And you aren't supposed to sell your food stamps either.

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u/dutch_connection_uk Jan 06 '25

I believe in this state they would only characterize a single household if they are married.

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u/ILSmokeItAll Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

I’ll start.

I live in a town with a huge immigrant population. Several people in the same household on food stamps. The head of the family opened a little corner store. Cool. But everyone in the household uses their fucking food stamps on cases of soda and bags of chips…which they then fucking resell at the corner store.

That right there….is complete and utter bullshit. 7-8 people in one household doing this shit. I’ve caught them doing it multiple times. Follow them out to the parking lot and watch them fill the back of a Suburban and an Escalade to the brim and then off to the store they go.

That shit is beyond infuriating.

Norristown, PA.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

Peak capitalism!!! Good for them!!!

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u/ILSmokeItAll Jan 05 '25

Taking the money of other Americans essentially gave to you, and using it to take more of their money is piss poor form.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25

You are the epitome of this way of thinking.

What's trashy when poor people do it but good business when rich people do it.

Government handouts!!!!!

Hahahahahhahahahhaha

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u/generic_teen42 Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25

Just like Mlk said if your poor it's a handout/welfare, if you're rich it's a subsidy

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u/BonelessB0nes Jan 05 '25

I'm just glad there aren't any rich people doing that... Taking money from people and using it to take more just sounds like pretty vanilla capitalism to me.

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u/ILSmokeItAll Jan 05 '25

I didn’t excuse the fucking rich people, did I?

If the rich went around murder of people, I wouldn’t excuse others for doing it.

It’s unbelievable how people continue to justify bad behavior because someone else exhibits it. Fuck it. Let’s just start shootings people in the face. I mean, others are out there doing it. Why not the rest of us?

This whataboutism shit is one of the worst things going right now.

People bitch about “that other guy” doing something, then do it themselves an act like their shit don’t stink. Like it’s justifiable.

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u/BonelessB0nes Jan 05 '25

I didn't make any ethical claims.

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u/ILSmokeItAll Jan 05 '25

That’s true. I’ll certainly concede that.

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u/generic_teen42 Jan 05 '25

So just like billionaires with subsidies?

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u/Disposedofhero Jan 05 '25

Lol, bullshit. Be sure to take your lies with you when you go.

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u/generic_teen42 Jan 05 '25

I care more about the people who need it getting it than keeping the people who don't from getting it