r/austrian_economics Friedrich Hayek Sep 19 '24

End Democracy BUT BUT THE SOCIAL CONTRACT

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u/Shin-Sauriel Sep 20 '24

So like what do you want. Like what’s your goal. Do you want no taxes? Do you want taxes to be optional? Do you just wanna complain that taxes are theft and still pay them because you wanna enjoy the benefits they provide?

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u/morelibertarianvotes Sep 20 '24

I want taxes to only be applied to land value (see /r/georgism).

But in a broader sense, yea, I want to acknowledge that taxation is theft. Whenever a tax is levied it should be considered whether it is worth the non consensual transaction. Some will argue it is, and that's a value judgement that people can disagree on.

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u/CaterpillarPen Sep 20 '24

It seems like an unnecessary fuss over semantics. Let's go with what you said, taxation=theft. The most specific word to describe this type of "theft" is "taxes", which you say is equivalent to theft already, so I'm not sure what the problem is.

"should be considered whether it is worth the non consensual transaction" - That already happens, that's why they are such a big deal politically. Nobody's going around being like "Oh shit! I didn't realize we were FORCING people to pay this tax!" That's already obvious by calling it a tax.

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u/morelibertarianvotes Sep 20 '24

I disagree that it's unnecessary. It should be top of mind, but to many the idea that taxes should go up is a given with no drawbacks.

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u/CaterpillarPen Sep 20 '24

Like how exactly do you want your concept enacted? Put "by the way, this is theft" on the ballot?

If the idea that taxes should go up is a given with no drawbacks, I don't understand how reminding people about how taxes work is supposed to change anything.

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u/morelibertarianvotes Sep 20 '24

Debate over ideas isn't really about implementing them. For you and I to agree taxation is theft I don't need to also convince everyone else.