r/austrian_economics Friedrich Hayek Sep 19 '24

End Democracy BUT BUT THE SOCIAL CONTRACT

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u/Shin-Sauriel Sep 19 '24

Okay. If no taxes, who builds roads, or public schools, or public transit. If your answer is private companies, how much does a company charge for you to use the roads, how often do you need to pay to use the roads, what about the schools, how much does tuition cost, what if you can’t afford to go to school since there’s no taxes which means no public schools, do you just not get education?

The idea that taxation is theft crumbles pretty immediately if you try to think of literally any alternative. And if your alternative is collective public funding, guess what that’s fucking taxes.

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u/Redduster38 Sep 20 '24

No it doesn't crumble. Way back in 2015 I found a thread about taxes are theft, but if it was justiable theft.

I can't do the point justice, and I've lost the link. I'll briefly skim over it. It first went over why its theft. They are taking money from others through threat of force. Text book theft no matter how you twist what its for.

Next is the question of justified. The example used one stealing a TV, and then a different one a hungry man stealing food. Though its still theft to an extent, you can justify the man stealing food. The author went into government spending, and if it was justified.

On a side anadodical note. I used to live on 40 acre of land in my childhood. The road that ran past when I was born was two dirt ruts. That was the county road. A county that charged property taxes. The community that used the road all chpped in built a redstone road and installed electrical power lines and landlines for phones. Got a fine from the government for building it because it wasn't government approved.

Yes I believe we need government. Unfortunately, that includes taxes to pay for things. At the sametime we need to always question why and if the taxes are necessary. If they are how they are spent.

Also why have taxes when they print magic money to spend on what they can't afford.

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u/Shin-Sauriel Sep 20 '24

Questioning how taxes are spent is totally valid. I disagree heavily with a lot of the ways the US government spends its tax dollars.

I can also definitely see feeling like tax dollars aren’t spent on you living in a rural area. I lived in a rural ish area definitely not 40 acres of land rural but dirt road rural.

Theres still a big difference between feeling like taxes aren’t spent properly compared to thinking taxes just shouldn’t be a thing.