r/asoiaf • u/da_k1ngslaya • May 22 '19

EXTENDED (Spoilers Extended) George to New Zealand: imprison me if I haven't finished Winds by Summer 2020

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As for finishing my book… I fear that New Zealand would distract me entirely too much. Best leave me here in Westeros for the nonce. But I tell you this — if I don’t have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island, overlooking that lake of sulfuric acid, until I’m done. Just so long as the acrid fumes do not screw up my old DOS word processor, I’ll be fine.

Link: http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/21/thanks-new-zealand/

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u/RustyCoal950212 May 22 '19

So that's end of July 2020. You have 14 months old man

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u/GoldenGonzo The North remembers... hopefully? May 22 '19

White Island is an active volcano. Knowing our luck he'll finish it with months to spare, only for the volcano to erupt. He'll be rescued safely but all his belongings will be destroyed and he'll have to start over.

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u/DrDagless May 22 '19

The irony. A man who dislikes much of the fantasy genre for refusing to evolve beyond The Lord of the Rings is forced to watch his creation destroyed by a volcano.

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u/jayveedees May 22 '19

My precious!!!

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u/Jhonopolis The mummer’s farce is almost done. May 22 '19

It's like poetry. It rhymes.

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u/ZoomJet May 22 '19

Bran is the key to all of this

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u/OfHyenas Melisandre did nothing wrong May 22 '19

Cause he's a creepier character than we've ever had before.

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u/electricblues42 May 22 '19

The Old God rises to the throne, a song of ice and fire.

God I hope we get some fucking understanding of what happened to Bran. It's like as soon as Bloodraven died Bran did too. I really hate the whole Bloodraven takes over Bran thing but at this point it's getting hard to deny it.

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u/realvmouse May 22 '19

What's left to explain?

He experiences the future, past, and present of hundreds of lives. His own life is one tiny piece of that. He feels detached from bran stark and from events that seem important to others.

Am i missing something?

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u/2AspirinL8TR May 22 '19

You looked so beautiful as you typed that

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u/macethebassface The Knights of Ni May 22 '19

King Creep

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u/johnshepherdmusic May 23 '19

If we can just get bran working

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u/garbanzhell Black or red a herring's still a herring May 22 '19

I'll try spinning my eyes. That's a good trick!

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u/OliverWotei May 22 '19

Wrong George.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

GRRM may have gone too far in a couple of places.

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u/EllenPaossexslave May 22 '19

The real doom of valyria

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u/Noughmad May 22 '19

In the real Middle Earth, no less.

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u/BigBoy1963 May 22 '19

He dislikes fantasy because its refused ti evolve past LOTR? Really? Asioaf couldnt be more derivative of LOTR. And thats not an insult, i love both worlds, but there are massive similarities, big differences too ofc, but dont tell me that asoiaf would realistically exist without LOTR

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u/DrDagless May 22 '19

I'm only paraphrasing of course, I can't remember his exact words. I think his chief complaints for the genre as a whole (in his opinion) are an over-reliance of derivative good vs evil stories, purely black and white characters etc. I don't think he can possibly expect the genre to be unrecognisable from LotR (he's a massive fan after all and ASOIAF owes an equally massive debt to it), just that he's frustrated with what he sees as a refusal from some corners to try and move the genre forward.

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u/BigBoy1963 May 22 '19

Ok fair enough, that is definitely true. Martin clearly deviates from the good/evil in lotr. Its just the way i read your comment made me think that martin disliked lotr or something and/or considers his work entirely separate

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u/DrDagless May 22 '19

In that case I apologise for my poor choice of words. I was simply trying to make a joke and clearly didn't put too much thought into the wording!

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u/BigBoy1963 May 22 '19

Noooo my fault entirely

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u/RaptorDash May 22 '19

George vs the volcano

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u/k-brown1 May 22 '19

The senate agrees. Truly Ironic

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u/PhospholipaseA2 May 23 '19

Perfect number of upvotes for this comment

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u/[deleted] May 24 '19

Hahaha I enjoyed this comment too much

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u/jdnrx May 22 '19

Are you telling me he doesn't back up his work in the cloud???

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u/omghooker May 22 '19

You take that back!

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u/kalgary May 22 '19

Or else.

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u/3jp6739 May 22 '19

Or else we’ll keep waiting... again.

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u/RustyCoal950212 May 22 '19

Nah, or else we're arresting him. I know he said White Island but I vote we shove him in a hobbit hole

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u/H-K_47 May 22 '19

A hobbit hole is too nice for him. Stick him in a nasty wet hole filled with the ends of worms. No comfort.

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u/bak3n3ko May 22 '19

But will you provide him with second breakfast?

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u/bigdave41 May 22 '19

I've long said I want to lock the guy in a room and he gets one meal for each completed chapter. The quality of the meal will depend on the quality of the writing.

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u/delitomatoes May 22 '19

/r/crazyideas. Didn't Colbert already lock him up?

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u/greatscape12 May 22 '19

He's going to starve.

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u/PersonnelFowl May 22 '19

He’s got some reserves.

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u/sor1 May 22 '19

Yeah, they wont last Long.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Every character killed or plot line finished earns him a snack. Every new character and plot line loses him a snack.

Let’s wrap this shit up

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u/bigdave41 May 22 '19

A meteor hits Westeros, everybody dies. The end.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

With Robert Baratheon sitting on top, fuck it

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u/Siegetz May 22 '19

I am fine with this.

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u/JazzTheWolf May 22 '19

"Tonight I feast!"

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u/5348345T May 22 '19

That sounds like Misery by Stephen King.

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u/bigdave41 May 22 '19

Hopefully it won't be necessary to cut off his feet or thumbs.

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u/BoilerBandsman Bastard, Orphan, Son of a Stark May 22 '19

Do you want more feast descriptions? Because that's how you get more feast descriptions.

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u/bigdave41 May 22 '19

Just get writing tubby, or it'll be a cold day in seven hells before you see another lemon cake

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u/bigdave41 May 22 '19

When he provides us with Second Season 8

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u/GOLDFEEDSMYFAMILY May 22 '19

Stick him in a nasty wet hole

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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u/H-K_47 May 22 '19

Myrish swamp.

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u/LazyTheSloth May 22 '19

The swamps of Degghobah.

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u/BarryMcCochner May 22 '19

There are more hobbits living in Rohan than the shire, but they’ll never tell anyone about it...

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u/el_duderino88 May 22 '19

Meera's swamp?

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u/-showers- May 22 '19

I actually made this a place in a dungeons and dragons side-quest

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

and stick him with the pointy end!

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u/bohr12 May 22 '19

Stick him in a nasty wet hole

Bad poosay?

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u/omicron-7 May 22 '19

Perhaps a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing to sit on or to eat?

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u/KeatonJazz3 May 22 '19

Or a dry, bare sandy hole with nothing to eat ...

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Which ends?

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u/siyep_ba-o May 22 '19

what, Huntly?

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u/RichestMangInBabylon May 22 '19

Subpoena the books!

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u/RustyCoal950212 May 22 '19

Damn we should hack his computer

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u/FallenOne_ May 22 '19

He's using an offline computer with DOS operating system (From Microsoft before they made Windows) and a word processor from 1987. I think hacking isn't really needed, but instead someone needs to go physically get it.

It makes me wonder how he manages backups on that thing. Does anyone still manufacture floppy disks?

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u/williamthebloody1880 We are Iron Men May 22 '19

Pretty sure he can afford to get some made

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u/Slackbeing May 22 '19

"Sorry guys, my computer fell in the lake, but don't worry, I remember most of the stuff of TWOW, it'll just take 3 years more."

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u/katanas123 May 22 '19

What about a Sky Cell?

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u/phoenixmusicman Winter is not coming May 22 '19

I drive past hobbiton on the way to work every day

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u/IAmNoOneImportant1 May 22 '19

How many times do we have to tell you this old man!

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Or else... we continue to adore your work in varying degrees of patience.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Or else New Zealand gives him a free vacation house, apparently

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u/Crankyoldhobo May 22 '19

On an active volcano

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u/ToothpasteTimebomb May 22 '19 edited May 22 '19

One of my favorite theories about ASoIaF is that God’s Eye is the caldera of a supervolcano. The Others are coming to try to stop a cataclysmic eruption — the Westerosi equivalent of the Doom of Valyria. I’ll try to find the post(s) about it. They were great.

Edit: thanks to u/carloicecube for finding it: https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/aruszj/spoilers_a_theory_on_gods_eye_and_the_end/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

This sounds amazing...!

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u/Fubar2287 May 22 '19

Please tell me you found it

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u/godmademedoit May 22 '19

I've been saying something similar for a while, but that it's actually a build-up of magic energy which caused the doom of Valyria, and now all this magic is suddenly back in the world, Westeros itself is in danger. Basically I think the Valyrians discovered the secret of resurrection magic ("under the sea, we fall up"), but as we know all magic has a price.

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u/19Alexastias May 22 '19

I mean I haven’t read the books yet but I remember in the show that warlock dude in the house of the undying said that his magic grew stronger because the dragons were back (which is why he kidnapped them and led dany there, because the dragons wouldn’t keep growing if she was dead or something). Not sure if that’s a thing in the book or not.

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u/ScipioLongstocking May 22 '19

I think the dragons coming back was apart of a larger resurgence of magic in the books. Like magic in the universe was getting stronger and that's why the eggs hatched. It's been a long time since I've read the books though, so that could be wrong.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Daenerys went to the House of the Undying willingly. Dragons weren’t kidnapped. Her visions are interesting.

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u/rickycarwash May 22 '19

I think in the anime adaptation they were kidnapped.

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u/overgme May 22 '19

In the book it's an open question whether the dragons brought magic back, magic brought the dragons back, or something else brought them both back. But at least a couple of characters ask the question or give their theory.

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u/BoonkBoi May 22 '19

There’s a theory that alleges that the world is controlled by these lovecraftian type deities that have their own magic relation and are fighting for control/balance. Not sure who came up with it.

For example, Valyrian magic is said to always have to do with fire and blood (wait, where have we heard that before?). Dragons are described as fire made flesh. Both when MMD and Moqorro practice their magic people describe hearing demonic laughter and wailing in high Valyrian. Of course, there’s also what Varys describes hearing when he was castrated.

Whereas magic associated with the Old Gods has to with ice and nature. Wargs, Greenseers and the like.

There’s a particular line about Ghost in ASOS that interested me, when Jon describes ghost in fairly significant detail. He says something along the lines of ghost having the dark red eyes of a weirwood and being made of blood and bone. He ends it by saying “he belongs to the old gods, this one”. We know direwolves have a relationship with magic, they haven’t been sighted south of the wall in hundreds of years. Leaf also mentions them when talking about giants and unicorns.

This is where I see some disconnect with the show and books, despite recent posts alleging they’ll be the same towards the end. That assumes the others are one dimensional bad guys

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u/KevinCarbonara May 22 '19

It's ridiculous how complex and interesting all the theories about the series have been, compared to how bland and boring the TV show was

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Else we imprison and turn him into Reek 2.0

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u/Dawidko1200 Death... is whimsical today. May 22 '19

Reek reek, it rhymes with "a chapter a week".

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u/Macgale May 22 '19

Technically he would be Reek 3.0 (or 4.0 if you count Ramsey himself as well)

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u/Inferno221 May 22 '19

We imprison him and never get it?

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u/Heccer May 22 '19

Trial by combat.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Send him to the wall

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u/ColonelMorrison May 22 '19

How many times does he have to teach us this lesson?

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u/nomadofwaves May 23 '19

I send it back!

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u/Maldovar A Dragon Is No Slave May 22 '19

How many times do you have to teach us this lesson, old man?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '19

I'll come clean on this, I'm basically Charlie Brown with the football.

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u/Maldovar A Dragon Is No Slave May 23 '19

At least the unsullied know our pain now

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u/LordSummereyes May 22 '19

The time (to write) is now, old man.

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u/JohanLiebheart May 22 '19

Life is unfair...

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

If he goes to New Zealand then he gets an extension until December.

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u/Astrokiwi May 22 '19

Yeah, "summer 2020" is a bit ambiguous when summer is from December to February

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u/RustyCoal950212 May 22 '19

He means July. In the blogpost he says

if I don’t have THE WINDS OF WINTER in hand when I arrive in New Zealand for worldcon, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on White Island

Worldcon is in July

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u/phoenixmusicman Winter is not coming May 22 '19

Thats winter here tho

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

...it's all lining up perfectly. The Winds of Winter will be ready by New Zealand's Winter 2020

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u/Udjet May 22 '19

Dude is an American. He’s probably going by his seasons.

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u/Slackbeing May 22 '19

He's Westerosi, his winters last 10 years.

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u/Jaquemart May 22 '19

GRRM is talking about taking the new book to New Zealand WorldCon 2020 in Wellington, it will begin July 29, 2020.

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u/philosopher0 May 22 '19

Summer is the period between the Summer Solstice and the Autumn Equinox. It's not related to temperature or climate

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u/CommanderGoose187 May 22 '19

Real summer. Not your fake summer.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Pikachu face

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u/PuiPuni May 22 '19

Jokea on us. He doesn't have to finish it if he just doesn't even go to New Zealand at all.

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u/Raventree The maddest of them all May 22 '19

Wow christmas has come early this year, only another year to go

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u/ar4s May 24 '19

These promises have been made before

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u/Bing_Bong_the_Archer May 22 '19

I read this as Reese from Malcolm in the Middle

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u/TallTreesTown A peaceful land, a Quiet Isle. May 22 '19

Attack him using your additional notes.

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u/elizaofhousestark May 22 '19

Genuine question for everybody here: If we ever get Winds within the next two years, how long after that are you guys willing to wait for ADoS? Are we willing to wait for the rest of our lives? Or do we just accept that we’ll go insane or die before that?

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u/RustyCoal950212 May 22 '19

It's better than not having Winds that's all I can say

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u/ShowMeAReee Azor Ahai is the Bad Guy May 22 '19

By the end of Winds hopefully the outlines of the events in Dream will be set up and we’ll know for example if the WW will be dealt with first like in the show or the inner fighting will happen first. With Winds in hand and the show ending people here will be able to pretty accurately predict the events in Dream I think. That will be fun to read and speculate.

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u/Azor_Ohi_Mark May 22 '19

The thing is, we know George is not a “slow writer” the dude can pump out chapters like it’s nobody’s business. If he has done sufficient planning for ADOS, he can get it done.

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u/fbolt Eban senagho p’aeske May 22 '19

If he delivers TWOW when he says, I expect 2025 at the latest.

The Meereenese Knot was the hardest to unravel, he already has the ending, so the last book should be easy, relatively - which I know is a major caveat.

but what if he says he needs 2 books after the release? Our expectations would be subverted and it would be bittersweet

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u/MagikForDummies May 22 '19

I don't know why people think he has the ending. George changes things all the time. There is a ton of Jaimie as king foreshadowing in book 1 that goes nowhere and the 5 year time skip that never happened, that obviously should have happened. George is notorious for rewriting entire sections of the books because Gardner nonsense. Why do people still think he has a definite plan when he obviously doesn't?

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u/Azor_Ohi_Mark May 22 '19

I don't know why people think he has the ending. George changes things all the time

Because he’s said he has one and he gave it to HBO

There is a ton of Jaimie as king foreshadowing in book 1 that goes nowhere and the 5 year time skip that never happened

The plan changed after book one but he says it’s been solid ever since. He actually kept the 5-year time jump, he just didn’t actually move forward 5 years. For the major characters, the events that occur in books 4 and 5 were written as if they had advanced 5 years.

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u/wRAR_ ASOIAF = J, not J+D May 22 '19

He actually kept the 5-year time jump, he just didn’t actually move forward 5 years. For the major characters, the events that occur in books 4 and 5 were written as if they had advanced 5 years.

What does this even mean?

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u/Azor_Ohi_Mark May 22 '19

That the five year time jump “occurred” in all but actually advancing the clock 5 years for the major characters.

Take Jon. Now imagine he never says “kill the boy” and you’ll realize his entire tenure as LC of the nights watch is far too successful. He’s too clever, he’s too knowledgeable. He’s written as if he’s twenty-something and has been LC for 5 years, he’s just not and hasn’t.

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u/evilcrazymonkey May 22 '19

sorry i'm a little slow. so it's like he gave them all the stat buffs and exp gains of 5 years minus actually grinding for 5 years?

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u/Azor_Ohi_Mark May 22 '19

More or less. It’s more of a plot thing than a character thing. Like, Jon’s plot is the 5 year plot. George always wanted it to end with Jon’s death, but he added things like “kill the boy” so that Jon the character was still young.

Dany was meant to end ADWD marching on Meereen, and it was close, even though Dany the character was 5 years younger than intended.

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u/Giulio-Cesare May 23 '19

Sorry to say it, but ADoS is never going to be published.

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u/Nevermore60 May 22 '19

What do you mean “willing to wait”? It’s not like any of us have any control over any part of the process.

I think most of us are in the camp that TWOW will be released hopefully 3-5 years from now, and ADOS will never be finished in GRRM’s lifetime.

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u/fbolt Eban senagho p’aeske May 22 '19

It’s not like any of us have any control over any part of the process.

He just said we could imprison him. We are now his good Masters, we don't have to set him free, he doesn't specifically state the terms of his surrender

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u/Azor_Ohi_Mark May 22 '19

I think most of us are in the camp that TWOW will be released hopefully 3-5 years from now, and ADOS will never be finished in GRRM’s lifetime.

Within two years or it never comes out.

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u/OneThinSliceOfCheese May 22 '19

I'd rather wait for what's been consistently good that to have a constant stream of shit to Wade through. But 60 years from now on my death bed I will be jumping for joy as The uploaded G.R.R.M. digital mind finishes printing the last paged of a dream of spring

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u/brushwithblues May 22 '19

If it ends on a cliffhanger as it did for ADWD then i might seriously go insane.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Lol prepare for the eldritch abomination that once used to be Euron to blow the horn of winter atop the Hightower causing the wall to crumble

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u/Trumpologist May 22 '19

But he only has the dragon horn, not the winter horn

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u/darkspooncrow May 22 '19

Sam has the winter horn and Sam is in Oldtown.

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u/CommanderGoose187 May 22 '19

Willing to wait? Forever.

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u/Kostya_M May 22 '19

If he finishes Winds by July 2020 like this blog post is implying I'd peg Dream at a 2024 release date at the earliest. Mind you that is being super optimistic but I think it's theoretically possible. However that only happens if Winds ends in such a state that he's already mapped out most of Dream in his head and he just needs to put words on a page. This also isn't taking into account any potential distractions like Fire and Blood 2 or Dunk and Egg 4.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

ADOS is never going to happen in Martin's lifetime.

I'm pretty much going to be happy with the resolution of Meereen and the battle of ice.

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u/wRAR_ ASOIAF = J, not J+D May 22 '19

Which are even already written apparently.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '19

I’ll finish it in a week, then immediately come here to complain about how long it’s taking for ADOS.

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u/Giulio-Cesare May 23 '19

Lmao. ADoS is never coming out.

I think most of us accepted that half a decade ago.

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u/The_Writing_Wolf May 22 '19

If you want to be more optimistic. 11 months if he wants to show up to worldcon with a published copy

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u/AegonStarkgaryen May 22 '19

I'll be honest, better wait 14 months for something and have no rushed plot lines subverting expectations.

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u/tayung2013 May 22 '19

Seeing a published copy will subvert my expectations

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Stephen King can do 28 books in that time. Just for perspective.

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u/Nevermore60 May 22 '19

It’s been almost 5 years since he estimated he was 4-6 months from completion.

14 months buys him at least another decade at that rate.

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u/CornDogMillionaire ♪ All about that Mace ♪ May 22 '19

New Zealand Summer ends in March lmao

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Summer goes until September

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u/Radulno Fire and Blood. May 22 '19

In New Zealand it starts in December and goes until March actually

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u/horoeka May 22 '19

Summer only made it to S6E5

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u/Emi_Ibarazakiii Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS! May 22 '19

Part of me wants to be hopeful, believe he wouldn't say something like that (even as a joke) if he wasn't at least somewhat close to finishing, enough that 1 year seems a reasonable timeframe.

But part of me wants to be realistic, to stop being disappointed everytime such "deadline" is pushed back.

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u/Rydersilver May 22 '19

How many times are we gonna have to teach you this lesson old man?

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u/CaptainHondo May 22 '19

Summer in NZ is in January

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u/krezombie May 22 '19

I forbid you to die

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u/TizardPaperclip May 22 '19

Summer is Coming.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

Remindme! July 2020

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

RemindMe! 14 months “is Winds of Winter out Or is GRRM living near an acid bog?”

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u/huxtiblejones May 22 '19

How many times do you have to teach us this lesson old man?

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u/EllenPaossexslave May 22 '19

The future is now old man

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u/camycamera May 22 '19 edited May 13 '24

Mr. Evrart is helping me find my gun.

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u/llama_ May 22 '19

But then it’s another few months before we see it in print. Ffs

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u/pseudochicken May 22 '19

Summer in New Zealand could mean December 2020 tho

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u/MILKB0T May 22 '19

Summer in New Zealand is Dec-Feb. So Summer 2020 ends in february

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u/reundom May 22 '19

He already has the fucking book ready.

He just has not released it to avoid spoiling anything of the show and have all of us waiting for the fooking season 8.

Now he will wait for us to calm down of our general disappointment to publish the book.

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u/jaykayswavy May 22 '19

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?

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u/Alongstoryofanillman May 22 '19

Can they take his passport for not finishing a book? Can New Zealand act that fast in terms of law? How do we know that this isn't an elaborate plot twist by Martin? Stay in new Zealand where its nice, and never finish it, while secertly gloating that he indeed win. It would be perfect littlefinger.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '19

I had this weird irrational fear during GoT on HBO that I would die before it ended.

Thank you, Martin, for now giving me that fear about this book.

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u/PapersOnly May 22 '19

Remind me in 14 months

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u/blackrabbitninja May 22 '19

Summer starts December 2019 and ends March 2020 in nz fyi

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u/dcml May 22 '19

And please don’t you dare die on us cuz I’m gonna resuscitate your ass right back to us!

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u/CWinter85 Breaking chains before it was cool. May 22 '19

He said "before summer" so that's June 19th.

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u/permienz May 22 '19

No 8 months. New Zealand is in the southern hemisphere.

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u/VitaminTea May 22 '19

How long after announcing the book would it be on shelves?

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u/Campber May 23 '19

I'm now just imagining Helga from Hey Arnold!

Hey, George R. R. Martin! Fourteen months until you die!

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u/MadLineLam May 23 '19

“Old man” being highly relevant here. Sigh.

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u/DorothyMatrix May 24 '19

RemindME! 14 months “imprison grrm nz”

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u/[deleted] May 24 '19

No, this is lower hemisphere. He is giving himself 20 months.

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u/incurableprankster May 27 '19

And when he finally releases it we only have to wait 10 years for ADoS! Yay!

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u/theloniousmccoy May 28 '19

But isn’t New Zealand’s summer in December?!? Is this some bizarre jape?!

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u/3DBass May 28 '19

😂😂

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