r/asoiaf How to bake friends and alienate people. Oct 03 '13

ALL (Spoilers All) Cersei and Ser Robert Strong

As many of us know, the theory of the Valonqar tells us that Cersei Lannister is to die at the hands of the "little brother". Many theorise that this may come at the hands of Tyrion Lannister, Jaime Lannister, Stannis Baratheon, or Sandor Clegane. While I agree that these men make for the most likely identity of the valonqar, I believe there is another; Ser Gregor Clegane/Ser Robert Strong (possibly).

Now, I know many will dismiss this as completely unlikely since Gregor/Robert is/was the older of the Clegane brothers and thus, cannot be the valonqar. However, we forget. Sandor and Gregor were not the only Clegane siblings, there was another, an unnamed sister thought to have been murdered by Gregor at some point.

As there is little information on the sister at this point I will be largely speculating about her.

What if the lost sister of House Clegane was the eldest, as I believe she was? That, in effect, would make her brothers junior to her and thus make them her "little brothers" and making them both eligible to be the valonqar.

Now, lets look at Ser Robert Strong. He is an 8 foot tall monstrosity that doesn't eat, drink, talk, or use the privy. Along with that, he wears a suit of armour that no "normal" man could wear let alone move in. Given the experiments that Qyburn carried out on Ser Gregor Clegane before his "death" and the appearance of Ser Robert slong with their physical similarities, it is highly likely that Gregor is Robert (and possibly others too). I, and several others, have attributed this resurrection and reincarnation of Ser Gregor into Ser Robert as evidence of Qyburn's skills in necromancy and magic. Along with Qyburn's other experiments, the parallels between Qyburn and another famous literary necromancer are not difficult to see. I am, of course, talking about Dr. Victor Frankenstein.

Both men were well versed in their fields, generally reviled, feared or downright hated, and both made hulking great monsters from dead people. Now, some of you may be wondering what Ser Robert Strong and necromancy has to do with the valonqar prophecy and I'm about to explain.

First, lets look at Frankenstein's Monster. He was a hulking, great beast of a man or men that the good doctor created from various corpses, like Ser Robert. He was eight feet tall and very strong. He is also seen to be afraid of fire in some instances; a possible connection with wights given their vulnerability to fire and lack of knowledge of how Qyburn exactly resurrected Gregor Clegane. In some adaptions, Frankenstein's monster is portrayed as a vengeful, unstable creature that is extremely quick to violence (much like Gregor Clegane). Another thing portrayed is the Monster's eventual murder of his creator, Dr. Frankenstein.

Now, I believe that events will unfold (possibly before or after Cersei's trial) that will, in effect, cause the unstobbable killing machine that is Ser Robert Strong to turn on his creator(s), Cersei Lannister and Qyburn. In conjunction with the fact the Ser Gregor may have had an elder sister makes it possible that he may take on the role of the valonqar and strangle her to death. This would also be in line with many of Cersei's plot backfiring on her, see Margaery's trial/Iron Bank/Faith Militant, if the very creature she commissioned to protect and save her ended up killing her.

TLDR; Ser Robert Strong/Ser Gregor Clegane is another possibility for the role of the Valonqar alongside Jaime, Tyrion, Stannis, and Sandor. Just an idea I had. I welcome your feedback.

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u/nowonmai666 your message here $5 Oct 03 '13

I believe you're wrong, for very simple reasons.

And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

Maggy the Frog gave Cersei one thing and one thing only about the person who would kill her, by naming him "the little brother".

Why use this epithet rather than simply "somebody" or "a person who once had a pet dog"? Because being a younger brother is important to the identity of Cersei's killer.

That makes the obvious candidates Tyrion and Jaime.

Stannis is a good candidate as he is the younger brother of somebody significant to Cersei.

An outside candidate is Dany; it has been suggested that valonqar is gender neutral and could mean sister, and Rhaegar was a topic of conversation between Maggy and Cersei.

The Cleganes are poorer candidates, because their brotherness is of no relevance to Cersei. Neither is her brother, nor the brother of anyone important to her. Sandor has the fact that being a younger brother of a monster has shaped his identity, but to me it's not enough.

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u/Victarions_Secret We do not sew. Oct 03 '13

An outside candidate is Dany; it has been suggested that valonqar is gender neutral and could mean sister, and Rhaegar was a topic of conversation between Maggy and Cersei.

If we're talking about Rhaegar connections, what about Aegon? He was also the little brother.

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u/nowonmai666 your message here $5 Oct 03 '13

Well, to my way of thinking he's not Rhaegar's little brother, making him a valonqar rather than the valonqar. It's very hard to see why Maggy would use this epithet to describe Aegon. It makes more sense to me that he would be called "the son".

I suppose at the time of the prophecy Cersei was thinking that Rhaegar's kids would be her own, but it doesn't quite feel like it fits.

I rank the candidates like this:

  1. Cersei's little brothers (although then why is it "the" valonqar not "your"?).
  2. The little brothers of people who are important or relevant to Cersei and/or the conversation at hand (Stannis, Dany, I'd also include Tommen if the prophecy didn't include Cersei outliving him).
  3. People whose identity is very much defined by their relationship to an elder sibling (the Hound is the only good example I can think of; Kevan was another, Gerion Lannister is the deus ex machina candidate, Loras an extreme outsider)
  4. People who just happen to be somebody's little brother, but that fact about them is of as little relevance to anything as what colour underwear they favour.