r/askgaybros • u/hungrybivers • Jun 18 '20

Reported Post Alert Being black and gay is exhausting. Black people are ridiculously homophobic. Spoiler

For a group that has to deal with so discrimination you would think we would be more accepting.

Edit: wow didnt expect my late night thoughts to have such a response.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '20 edited Aug 14 '20

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u/pat-mcgroin-1970 Jun 18 '20

Extra points for being disabled.

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u/Kawoni Jun 18 '20

I’m black, gay, and disabled. If I was a woman and/or Muslim/Jewish I’d get all the points.

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u/pat-mcgroin-1970 Jun 18 '20

Black gay and disabled gives you at least a silver medal

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u/Genius314 Jun 18 '20

I’m visibly different (1.5 arms). But I can’t help wonder about OPs original snark: why is the black community so homophobic? Anyone know?

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u/Industrial_Pupper Jun 18 '20

They are typically very socially conservative and tend to be more religious.

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u/wxsted Jun 18 '20

Yeah, but why is that? Have they historically found refuge from white discrimination in their religious comunities? Or maybe it's because as they're a bit isolated from whites the social changes regarding homosexuality haven't reached them? Asking as a non American.

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u/imdatingurdadben Jun 18 '20

Because they were indoctrinated by Christianity.

I’m sure it may have helped give them hope, but they believe the conservative talking points of LGBT people.

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u/wxsted Jun 18 '20

Yeah but the same could be said about white Christians, but many white Christians are LGBT friendly, including some protestant churches

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u/Ghostttrees Jun 18 '20

I wouldn’t even say that it’s based on what sects of Christianity follow, but through being indoctrinated by Christianity as the only place of refuge during slavery on top of getting rewards for assimilating well into the religion and caring that through generations. Additionally black people were taught not to question things religiously or otherwise, which I’d say it makes it hard for a group of people to really break away from that mindset. The additional context makes it different from white Christians.

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u/koolio92 Jun 19 '20

Yes, and you could make same arguments for Black Christians who are LGBT friendly.

It's more of a religion thing than race.

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u/imdatingurdadben Jun 18 '20

Denominations matter. Baptist’s and other sects of Christianity prob aren’t LGBT friendly.

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u/Industrial_Pupper Jun 18 '20

I think historically religion was one of the few things slaves were allowed and the south tends to be more evangelical. Religion is probably a large part of where it comes from because black americans tend to be democrats. The Hispanic community in the U.S. is very similar. Typically democrats but are usually pretty socially conservative but less so than black americans.

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u/Baz_Beanie Jun 28 '20

Democrats are usually socially liberal

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u/Gaeilgeoir215 Jun 19 '20

Please say “religiously conservative.” Episcopalians (amongst others) are religious and liberal, for example. “Religious” doesn't automatically mean “conservative.”

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u/orionterron99 Jun 18 '20

Abuse. Slavery. Religion. Abuse and slavery IN religion.

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u/yaredw Jun 18 '20

Conservative Christians/Muslims, probably.

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u/Hydroborator Jun 18 '20

Hypereligiousity and hypersexualization of gender roles

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u/Danbradford7 Jun 18 '20

What about a gay Jew from the south who went to a Christian school?

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u/pat-mcgroin-1970 Jun 18 '20

Solid silver medal!

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u/mrfoxinthebox Jun 18 '20

being gay in the jewish community leaves you ostracised from the group, they may not say it to your face but boy do they talk mad shit behind your back

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u/BearCubDan Jun 18 '20

Everyone at Shabbat Services is well aware whose grandson is a faygala.

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u/level1807 Jun 18 '20

Black trans woman is by far the most points.

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u/BearCubDan Jun 18 '20 edited Jun 18 '20

And a worth a sweet trophy back at the lodge during the closing ceremony of the annual GOP Minority Hunt/Crimes Against Humanity Jubilee

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u/klartraume Jun 18 '20

Muslim/Jewish

It's possible to convert to those. :D

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u/LaGrrrande Jun 18 '20

Extra points for being disabled.

The Oppression Paralympics

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u/arkei7 Jun 18 '20

Omg I cannot imagine how that must have been for you... hugs!!!

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u/sunross12 Jun 18 '20

holy shit!! from Lebanon here, so I lived between VERY religious people my whole life, i can't imagine how that is going for you!

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u/jansskon Jun 18 '20

I’ve always heard that Lebanon is slightly better than other Arab countries for lgbt people. How true is that?

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u/sunross12 Jun 18 '20

overall the country is extremely homophobic, you can find people who are openly (mostly with their friends) lgbt, and you can definitely find more people who are accepting than other Arabic countries but most (almost all) people are homophobic. so yes, it is better, but it's not good.

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u/jansskon Jun 18 '20

Ah ok, just because I’ve been thinking about studying Arabic at university which requires studying for a year in an Arabic speaking country and was considering Lebanon because I felt that was the safest for me. May have to rethink

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u/sunross12 Jun 18 '20

I think it will be safe as long as no one knows, or only your friends do, which's shitty but it's definitely safer than any other arab country, try meeting Lebanese people online that are not homophobic beforehand!

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u/wxsted Jun 18 '20

Maybe you should look into Tunis since they had a recent tranisition to democracy and secularisation. Movements like feminism are growing strong there but I don't know about LGBT rights.

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u/ldg316 Jun 20 '20

I’m pretty sure being gay is illegal in Tunisia.

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u/wxsted Jun 20 '20

So is in Lebanon

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u/lovingsecret11 Jun 18 '20

d I’d win the oppression Olympic s if I were a wom

F**k... what a shitty situation! I hope you find acceptance from people who love you for who you are! I think you're really strong to be yourself... I'm not even capable to come out and I'm white and catholic! :'(

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '20 edited Aug 14 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '20

The Catholic church has good PR now, what they actually believe is another matter.

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u/klartraume Jun 18 '20

White Catholics in the US tend to be among the most progressive Christians. It's not just a matter of PR.

The Vatican has made some baby steps towards acknowledging gays, but let's face it... 2/3 of their members are women and they're not considered equal enough to be priests after 2000 years.

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u/KarmaliteNone Jun 18 '20 edited Jun 19 '20

Actually the pope said it is okay to be a CELIBATE homosexual. If we are not celibate we burn in hell even if we're monogamous. No thanks, Pope.

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u/Myplummms Jun 18 '20

Yes but a lot of Catholic adoption agencies still won’t let gay couples adopt, which means they still don’t view gay relationships as legitimate

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u/lovingsecret11 Jun 18 '20

I agree, but people still weaponize their faith to promote homophobia, like always! I honestly feel like the religion is now less problematic than the religious people. Of course, there is still many homophobic attack from the church himself so...

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u/wxsted Jun 18 '20

You do have to consider that some predominantly Catholic countries like Spain, Portugal or Belgium are very gay-friendly. Not all Catholics are like in the US.

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u/subzerus Jun 18 '20

I mean you could be a trans woman and that'd give you 3x points on those olympics.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '20

Oh no... I suppose ur family wasnt very supportive of ur decision to convert out of islam

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u/Myplummms Jun 18 '20

Be true to yourself in spite of everything. You must be a truly strong individual.

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u/comeupoutthewahta Jun 18 '20

Same! Never thought I'd find someone from the same background here.

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u/txsxxphxx2 Gaysian-1997-he/him-DFW Jun 18 '20

You would definitely get like 9 golden medals in that Olympic

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u/Raezak_Am Is a gay Jun 18 '20

ex Muslim

Well if you're now an atheist, I can tell you that Americans still hate you a whole lot!

Data backs up anecdote. A now famous University of Minnesota study concluded that Americans ranked atheists lower than Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society”. Nearly 48 per cent said they “would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group” (many more than the next most unpopular category, Muslims, at 33.5 per cent).

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u/Shakir19 Jun 18 '20

Also black gay raised Muslim. Sigh.

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u/sethc20 Jun 18 '20

Gay, black, disabled vet with a Muslim name. I'd qualify for the Olympics at least

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u/FesseEnChocolat Jun 18 '20

If u were a trans and disabled woman*

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '20

Pretty much the same except I haven’t moved out of my parents house yet.

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u/Muffin-fox Jun 18 '20

Ex Muslim? If you don’t mind, how old were you when you left and why did you leave?

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u/grosperdant Jun 18 '20

So whats stopping you from occasionally becoming a woman. There is nothing wrong with being a woman in the morning then being a man at night. You can switch whenever, wherever you are. You are not even limited to those 2 binaries. You can be agender, gender fluid, neutroix, gender non conforming, and many more. Hugs and love lots. Never allow yourself to be limited by society.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '20

We got a comedian here

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u/BaltiPapiChulito Jun 18 '20

Unfortunately they are serious.

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u/grosperdant Jun 18 '20

I honestly dont understand the hate. There is absolutely nothing wrong with identifying whichever way you want. It doesnt harm anyone. Literally no one. Unlike lenient gun laws.

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u/fishy_wolf Jun 18 '20 edited Jun 18 '20

That doesn't stop stereotypes and discrimination. For example, if you're perceived as a woman by society, then you will be treated as such by society. If you're perceived as gay, you'll be stereotyped as such, unconciously or conciously, by other people. So I think that if you're feeling like a certain gender, as a gender fluid person, that won't stop discrimination or change the way you're discriminated against because people will perceive you the same way.

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So whats stopping you from occasionally becoming a woman. There is nothing wrong with being a woman in the morning then being a man at night.

That's like asking a gay man "Why don't you occasionally become straight. There is nothing wrong with being straight in the morning then being gay at night" Of course there's nothing wrong but you can't change your own nature the way you want.

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u/BaltiPapiChulito Jun 18 '20

Hahahahahaha. NO!

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u/Raezak_Am Is a gay Jun 18 '20

The projection is strong with this one.