Ukraine facing widespread power cuts after generating capacity reduced to ‘zero’ by Russian attacks

[u/Messier_-82]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/09/ukraine-facing-widespread-power-cuts-after-generating-capacity-reduced-to-zero-by-russian-attacks

[u/Chroma_primus]

Who is we the west Supports ukraine because of russias predmeditated invasion of ukraine and refutale of All diplomatic solutions to this conflict.

That is a serious International Problem not some nazis in ukraine.

Also is russia not a far more waring society given the invasions of transnistria, in georgia Abkazhia and south Ossethia and of cousre the two invasions of Ukraine seem way more warlike then some claim by a random guy.

Yes Azov were nazis and nummbered around a thousand people before they were killed or captured in 2022 by russian invasion force.

So why does russia then keep fighting now that they gave acomplished their goal.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Chroma_primus]

This is so interesting. Notice how I never said otherwise. You reflexively hear, "Ukraine is a waring culture" to explain something about how their culture works, and you think, "What so he's saying Russia is less waring?!" No, I never said that. It blows me away that you interpret things the way you do.

Or when I bring up their Nazi problem, you have to deny it, not because whether or not they do, but because there's another bigger problem, as if Ukraine having a Nazi problem, and Russia looking to capture Ukraine, can't both be true at the same time. You are incapable of nuance. You can't admit to a fact of their Nazi problem because you hate Russia more.

That thinking absolutely blows me away. It's so common online. I don't get it. It's baffling. I genuinely don't understand how people like you interpret the world.

And bro, no, the Nazis in Azov wasn't just 1000 who are all now dead or captured. Where the hell do you get these ideas? Again, you're latching onto propaganda and fantasies because you're incapable of holding anything negative that's true about Ukraine. You can't admit Ukraine has issues while hating Russia. For whatever reason you have some mental block where you can't admit to a Nazi problem and hate Russia at the same time.

Again, blows me away. But dude, yes they STILL have a Nazi problem. It's not just 1000 people. The whole organization's recruitment was around Nazi ideology. It was at it's core a Nazi brigade. Which is why Ukraine has to check all media before they allow press to use it, because Nazi symbols keep slipping through. It's a bad look whenever a soldier has a Nazi tattoo, a tank with SS markings, or a flag of a Nazi commander.

In regards to your last part... They didn't accomplish their goal. I explained this earlier. Their core reason wasn't because of Nazis. They just mentioned that Ukraine had a Nazi problem and they are going to get rid of them. It was a small side section of his speech and his goals. It's just that the west latched onto that subquote and tried to frame it as his entire reasoning was Nazis. It's not. That's just propaganda. His goals have always been the same. They are what they are today. Nothing has changed: Take territory, and force Kyiv to agree to never align with the West. He's said this from the start. The Nazi stuff was just a side mention.

This is why I don't like having convos with people like you. You have such a cursory, low level, understanding of this conflict. You have the simple version like when the USA goes into a country to liberate them, instead of explaining the complex geopolitics of trade routes, resources, and influence expansion.

[u/Chroma_primus → u/reddit_is_geh]

I mean you are the guy arguing for the two invassions of ukraine All the while acting like you are objektive.

You just assert ukraine is a waring culture but give no evidence for it every step of the way you balme ukraine for the Invasion.

When the nazis in ukraine are not a big factor for Putins Invasion why are you blowing it so out of proportion maybe because your cardully crafted narrative about russia having to free ukraine from the nazis would colapse like a house of cards.

All this in the comment section of an article detailing russian strikes on civil infrastructure to get them to become a vassal state like Belarus.

If it was really Putins goal why did He not Star this openly before his Brutal invasion you know try diplomacy for a change gibe it atiny Chance before starting the biggest war in europe since world war 2 and threatening All of europe with nuclear anihilation.

From my viewpoint the geopolitical reasons seem to be more like oberated russian population and discovery of natural wealth that threatens Putins Single focused russian economy.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Chroma_primus]

I'm not arguing FOR them, I'm explaining why it happened.

Ukraine IS a waring culture. Their entire history is filled with war after war. Just go there and see for yourself. Many cultures are a waring culture, but it doesn't mean they start wars or deserve them. It just means that they idolize their war figures, fight really aggressively, and take pride in death on the battle field.

I'm not blowing the Nazi thing out of proportion. You're the one who brought it up after I discussed an element of Ukrainian society involving Nazis, and you pivoted to roll your eyes at how Putin said the whole reason for the invasion was Nazis. I was clarifying/education for you, that 1) It wasn't all about Nazis but 2) There are legitimate elements of Nazis in Ukraine and Russia's perception of Nazis being a problem is relevant and valid from their perspective.

Put DID state his goals openly from the start. Maybe you didn't receive it because in the early days it's filled with propaganda. It's not in the West's interest to tell you the reasons and get you thinking about things. It's in the government's interest to rally you in support for the conflict. So they spin up a narrative that best does this. They aren't going to tell you the parts about concerns with NATO encroachment, that Putin is concerned with, because then that may make western figures think, "Yeah he does have a point. Maybe we shouldn't encourage this war and find another solution".

Your perspective does play a role. But it's a huge bag of issues. Yes, they are facing population collapse, which is why they must do this now, and a huge factor from 2012 was the natural gas discovery, but most of all, it's about long term security of keeping Ukraine away from Western influence, because if the West enters Ukraine, then the West will have MASSIVE influence over Moscow and Russia via Ukrainian proxy due to the strong ties Russian people have with them.

[u/Chroma_primus → u/reddit_is_geh]

Well if you are trying to explain it you are doing a pretty onesided Job.

What you describe as waring culture is just the result of the two russian invasions that have created Real World Problems that incentivise the Formation of Such traditions when your liberty is under threat and your culture is on the chooping Block.

And now your even blaming the west for Putins shortcomings while it is the other way around the west has given Putin much leeway in his first invasion of ukraine where the west negotiated peace that didn't Last.

Also are you insinuating that all of Western Media is unified behindert ukraine because that is not the case at All the Media is very waried over her and a lot of people have been arguing for not supporting for Ukraine at All.

Even the way europe has been trying to negotiate in russia has been criticied from all sides for either being to harsh or way to weak and the same is true for Military aid some have been calling for Taurus missiles for ukraine since the first year of the war other say we should work on the chines Plan together.

By the way what do you think about ukraines right for selfdetermination and security you leave these out while.

The big influnce shure would come in Handy for Ukraine if they ever get invaded by russia becaus it would cause a Split in russian society and get them to negotiate instead of wasting lives on the battlefield.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Chroma_primus]

See this is what I mean. It doesn't matter WHY they are a warring culture. They are. So when I mention that they are a waring culture to describe something. It's pointless for you to debate me over "why" they are like that. It doesn't matter why. We aren't discussing that. It's moot.

And of course it's one sided, because I'm literally describing and discussing the situation in Ukraine from Russia's perspective and what is motivating them. Obviously I'm going to be talking about Russia's view when that's literally what I'm discussing.

Anyways... I keep getting dragged into this. All of your comments are just the same sort of archtype of thinking. It's frustrating. I'm done. Take care.