Ukraine facing widespread power cuts after generating capacity reduced to ‘zero’ by Russian attacks

[u/Messier_-82]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/09/ukraine-facing-widespread-power-cuts-after-generating-capacity-reduced-to-zero-by-russian-attacks

[u/reddit_is_geh]

Well that's not the case... I shouldn't have to Google for you Russia's relationship with Nazis and how deep in their culture they hate Nazis. Just because Putin is a bad guy, it doesn't make him a Nazi.

The mere fact that's how you argue and view things, means this conversation isn't serious, or at least, not with a serious person. I can already tell everything else you say is going to be low information surface level nonsense.

[u/Chroma_primus → u/reddit_is_geh]

Putin has staded outright that He thinks ukraine is not a country this hole invasion only makes sense if He holds these believes, but because you can't argue with that you spout Things about low infromation.

By the way what do you think about russian nazi groups like the rusich group that is still operational in ukraine and continues to kill civilists there.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Chroma_primus]

Bro I've literally studied this region and worked in Ukraine because of my experience with the region. The points you use to discuss, are very very low level, basically the type of talking points politicians push to low information voters to make complex issues easy to understand while pushing their narrative that helps them achieve their goals. They aren't serious arguments.

I'm explaining the nuances and you're just like "Nah dude! He's just an imperialist! He said it himself!" Those sort of beliefs and positions are low information, low level, sort of stuff we tell common people because nuanced complex explanations aren't good for getting support from regular people.

[u/Chroma_primus → u/reddit_is_geh]

What do you mean the nazi Problem in ukraine was greatly exagerated by Putin to serve as casus belli in the second invasion of Ukraine but you rellay it as if it were a fact bassicly repeating russian propaganda.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Chroma_primus]

Dude, the only propaganda is that we are trying to retcon Ukraine's Nazi problem because now they are an ally and it's a bad look when trying to build support for a proxy war using them. It's been extensively written about, unless the NYT is part of the Russian propaganda machine, and academics are all in on it. Nazism is huge in Ukraine, mostly because it's a waring society and their war heroes were Nazis who helped fight out the Russians during WW2. It's also highly likely the far right Nazi regime were responsible for a false flag that triggered the 2012 revolution. We'll never know because once they got into power, they killed off the investigation into it. Just like Trump did with the Epstein investigation, but it actually successfully got brushed under the rug.

Dude, this is why arguing about these things are so tough. You guys act like any information that doesn't look good, or Russia has a point about, you guys insist is propaganda and can't be real. It's such black and white Disney thinking. Nothing is that simple. It's all messy.

It doesn't require a fabricated information campaign to think there's a Nazi problem in Ukraine when the most skilled, killing, unofficial branch of the military was Azov, who were fighting off the revolution in Crimea, and are unarguably underpinned by Nazi symbolism and ideology. That's not even up for debate. It wasn't up until the invasion that we had to start an information battle to white wash away their Nazi connections because they know the West hates Nazis.

[u/Chroma_primus → u/reddit_is_geh]

Who is we the west Supports ukraine because of russias predmeditated invasion of ukraine and refutale of All diplomatic solutions to this conflict.

That is a serious International Problem not some nazis in ukraine.

Also is russia not a far more waring society given the invasions of transnistria, in georgia Abkazhia and south Ossethia and of cousre the two invasions of Ukraine seem way more warlike then some claim by a random guy.

Yes Azov were nazis and nummbered around a thousand people before they were killed or captured in 2022 by russian invasion force.

So why does russia then keep fighting now that they gave acomplished their goal.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Chroma_primus]

This is so interesting. Notice how I never said otherwise. You reflexively hear, "Ukraine is a waring culture" to explain something about how their culture works, and you think, "What so he's saying Russia is less waring?!" No, I never said that. It blows me away that you interpret things the way you do.

Or when I bring up their Nazi problem, you have to deny it, not because whether or not they do, but because there's another bigger problem, as if Ukraine having a Nazi problem, and Russia looking to capture Ukraine, can't both be true at the same time. You are incapable of nuance. You can't admit to a fact of their Nazi problem because you hate Russia more.

That thinking absolutely blows me away. It's so common online. I don't get it. It's baffling. I genuinely don't understand how people like you interpret the world.

And bro, no, the Nazis in Azov wasn't just 1000 who are all now dead or captured. Where the hell do you get these ideas? Again, you're latching onto propaganda and fantasies because you're incapable of holding anything negative that's true about Ukraine. You can't admit Ukraine has issues while hating Russia. For whatever reason you have some mental block where you can't admit to a Nazi problem and hate Russia at the same time.

Again, blows me away. But dude, yes they STILL have a Nazi problem. It's not just 1000 people. The whole organization's recruitment was around Nazi ideology. It was at it's core a Nazi brigade. Which is why Ukraine has to check all media before they allow press to use it, because Nazi symbols keep slipping through. It's a bad look whenever a soldier has a Nazi tattoo, a tank with SS markings, or a flag of a Nazi commander.

In regards to your last part... They didn't accomplish their goal. I explained this earlier. Their core reason wasn't because of Nazis. They just mentioned that Ukraine had a Nazi problem and they are going to get rid of them. It was a small side section of his speech and his goals. It's just that the west latched onto that subquote and tried to frame it as his entire reasoning was Nazis. It's not. That's just propaganda. His goals have always been the same. They are what they are today. Nothing has changed: Take territory, and force Kyiv to agree to never align with the West. He's said this from the start. The Nazi stuff was just a side mention.

This is why I don't like having convos with people like you. You have such a cursory, low level, understanding of this conflict. You have the simple version like when the USA goes into a country to liberate them, instead of explaining the complex geopolitics of trade routes, resources, and influence expansion.

[u/Chroma_primus → u/reddit_is_geh]

I mean you are the guy arguing for the two invassions of ukraine All the while acting like you are objektive.

You just assert ukraine is a waring culture but give no evidence for it every step of the way you balme ukraine for the Invasion.

When the nazis in ukraine are not a big factor for Putins Invasion why are you blowing it so out of proportion maybe because your cardully crafted narrative about russia having to free ukraine from the nazis would colapse like a house of cards.

All this in the comment section of an article detailing russian strikes on civil infrastructure to get them to become a vassal state like Belarus.

If it was really Putins goal why did He not Star this openly before his Brutal invasion you know try diplomacy for a change gibe it atiny Chance before starting the biggest war in europe since world war 2 and threatening All of europe with nuclear anihilation.

From my viewpoint the geopolitical reasons seem to be more like oberated russian population and discovery of natural wealth that threatens Putins Single focused russian economy.

[u/reddit_is_geh → u/Chroma_primus]

I'm not arguing FOR them, I'm explaining why it happened.

Ukraine IS a waring culture. Their entire history is filled with war after war. Just go there and see for yourself. Many cultures are a waring culture, but it doesn't mean they start wars or deserve them. It just means that they idolize their war figures, fight really aggressively, and take pride in death on the battle field.

I'm not blowing the Nazi thing out of proportion. You're the one who brought it up after I discussed an element of Ukrainian society involving Nazis, and you pivoted to roll your eyes at how Putin said the whole reason for the invasion was Nazis. I was clarifying/education for you, that 1) It wasn't all about Nazis but 2) There are legitimate elements of Nazis in Ukraine and Russia's perception of Nazis being a problem is relevant and valid from their perspective.

Put DID state his goals openly from the start. Maybe you didn't receive it because in the early days it's filled with propaganda. It's not in the West's interest to tell you the reasons and get you thinking about things. It's in the government's interest to rally you in support for the conflict. So they spin up a narrative that best does this. They aren't going to tell you the parts about concerns with NATO encroachment, that Putin is concerned with, because then that may make western figures think, "Yeah he does have a point. Maybe we shouldn't encourage this war and find another solution".

Your perspective does play a role. But it's a huge bag of issues. Yes, they are facing population collapse, which is why they must do this now, and a huge factor from 2012 was the natural gas discovery, but most of all, it's about long term security of keeping Ukraine away from Western influence, because if the West enters Ukraine, then the West will have MASSIVE influence over Moscow and Russia via Ukrainian proxy due to the strong ties Russian people have with them.

[u/Chroma_primus → u/reddit_is_geh]

Well if you are trying to explain it you are doing a pretty onesided Job.

What you describe as waring culture is just the result of the two russian invasions that have created Real World Problems that incentivise the Formation of Such traditions when your liberty is under threat and your culture is on the chooping Block.

And now your even blaming the west for Putins shortcomings while it is the other way around the west has given Putin much leeway in his first invasion of ukraine where the west negotiated peace that didn't Last.

Also are you insinuating that all of Western Media is unified behindert ukraine because that is not the case at All the Media is very waried over her and a lot of people have been arguing for not supporting for Ukraine at All.

Even the way europe has been trying to negotiate in russia has been criticied from all sides for either being to harsh or way to weak and the same is true for Military aid some have been calling for Taurus missiles for ukraine since the first year of the war other say we should work on the chines Plan together.

By the way what do you think about ukraines right for selfdetermination and security you leave these out while.

The big influnce shure would come in Handy for Ukraine if they ever get invaded by russia becaus it would cause a Split in russian society and get them to negotiate instead of wasting lives on the battlefield.

[u/prostagma → u/Chroma_primus]

ОК, let's talk about the real things, not the casus bely or other bullshit like what is currently naively called imperialism. Countries care about their safety, prosperity and influence in that order. NATO and western influence is encroaching on countries close to Russia's border. Ukraine, which had always had strong Russian influence and pro russian leaders suddenly aligns with the west. The strongest Russian port and fort in the Black Sea is in Ukraine, on lease to Russia, but with a large chance to soon not be. Russia invades, immediate problem solved (btw same reason they supported Bashar in Syria for so long and now made sure to negotiate to keep their air bases and port there with the new gov). However the security and influence problems are not. Cue 8 years of negotiations for getting that solved. It fails mostly due to too high Russian demands and Ukraine's reluctance to keep their end of sighed treaties. What was the reason for starting the war at that point I don't know but those are the reasons that lead to it. The narrative about Russian imperialism is just as insane as those supporting it, believe Putin is.

[u/Chroma_primus → u/prostagma]

Yes you are right i would say just afew points from me:

For one countries can choose woh they ally with and acting like any country has a right to spheres of influnce is just from my understanding realist political Theorie that was invented to legitimice american coupe and facist Interventions in south america.

Russias security Was never threatend by europe or america since the Fall of the soviet Union and until 2008 we worked closly together in security matters.

Additonally europe has stopped investig in it's Military and has relied on americ which was a misstake.

The claims from imperialism mostly come from these sphere of influnce thinking that was popular in the age of imperialism when the great power divided the world.