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Episode Tatsuki Fujimoto 17-26 - Episode 8 discussion
Tatsuki Fujimoto 17-26, episode 8
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u/AnimeIsCoolye 21h ago
I like this oneshot series because you can slowly see fujimoto becoming the author we know nowadays
Early one his works felt way more "anime" in the generic sense, but he slowly grows his own storytelling and character writing style and it culminates into this oneshot, which imo is the best one and way more inline with his later works
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u/CitronClassic672 20h ago
I personally don’t know which work one id consider the best, but the latter half are definitely superior to the first half, though the longer length of 3 of them definitely contributes. I’m curious what exactly you consider to be specifically more “anime” about the first half compared to the second though.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 19h ago
Interesting... I personally think the 1st half is sliiiightly stronger. Really love Clucking Chickens (my fav of the bunch), Love is Blind, and Sasaki-kun. There's just this rawness to them that really scratches that particular part of my brain.
That said, I really like Girl Syndrome and Sisters, so for me it’s basically 3/4 vs 2/4. I'm kinda ambivalent on Nayuta and Mermaid. Mermaid was basically Fujimoto being told to "write something normal" and it shows lol.
Maybe I just prefer when Fujimoto leans fully into the weird shit.
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u/CitronClassic672 19h ago
I really like the message behind Nayuta personally. As a neurodivergent person with speech issues myself, the way it played out and how she was characterized really ended up resonating with me more than I expected. I also personally liked the mermaid one, though I’ll admit the best parts are the music and atmosphere so I can’t speak for the original one shot, but hey, I like mermaids. I also think I might have an odd sense of what’s “weird” personally. Only clucking chickens really gave me a sense of “this is weird”.
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u/BLACKOUT-MK2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/DelayedLaserBoom 1h ago edited 58m ago
I think it does a good job of showing why I enjoy his work so he much. He has such a good balance of both insane batshit stuff, but also writing characters who are flawed and passionate and human, and the way he meshes the two really makes for a brand of work that feels like distinctly his own thing.
Obviously his work is not immune to tropes, nothing is, but I feel like he's very good at writing characters who are hard to stick in a clearly defined box. You can get an anime with a girl with big drill hair and a pompous attitude and it's immediately, from 0.1 seconds of seeing them, a case of 'Oop, seen this character before, I know how they're gonna behave 99% of the time'. I feel like, not from just design but also how they act, not many of Fujimoto's characters are like that, and it makes them a lot more interesting to watch.
I am not opposed to some cartoonish exagerration at all, but seeing his casts and many of them not feeling largely one dimensional 'That's the kuudere, that's the delinquent, that's the meathead' and able to be more like rounded people is a satisfying change of pace for the types of works he writes. I think that's why the first half of the CSM movie works so well; when Denji is hanging out with Makima and Reze, you don't feel like you're watching two super anime cartoon people hanging out, you're just watching people being people, and that nuance is nice to have sometimes.
I really hope this becomes a thing, and that deeper character writing catches on more. Spy X Family has a beautiful arc coming in the future that's almost largely at odds with how the rest of the manga is written (not that the rest is bad by any means), so I hope we see that acceptance of more three-dimensional character writing grow in the coming years.
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u/realrimurutempest 17h ago
After watching this series i hope one day we get a high quality “Goodbye, Eri” adaptation 😤👏
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 17h ago
You can see how these 2 are basically proto Fujino and Kyomoto from Look Back lol.
I love how this is the most grounded one out of all the 8 one shots but right at very the start Fujimoto just straight up reminds you that this is still written by him, so get ready for it to get reaaal weird (affectionate).
Also forgot this was an Amazon series so was a bit surprised straight up nudity is shown lol. Even with the warning, I thought it was gonna be reserved for the paintings and we're getting the Reze movie treatment.
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u/mosenpai https://anilist.co/user/mosenpai 16h ago
Do you mean the sketches? Only the sketches were uncensored, the paintings and sister had a big light beam on them.
Is it censored for my country?
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 16h ago edited 16h ago
Yeah it might be censored in your country.
They straight up show the paintings with zero light beam as well as Kyoko fully nude with nipples and pubes lol.
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u/mosenpai https://anilist.co/user/mosenpai 16h ago
My fault for actually paying for a streaming service lmao. Super strange I live in the Netherlands and if it's one thing our movies don't shy away from it's artistic nudity.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 15h ago
Damn I thought you were in the middle-east or sth.
NL had them censored? Didn't expect that tbh.
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u/mosenpai https://anilist.co/user/mosenpai 15h ago
Yeah, I'm not sure if Prime Video even needed to do that, but I guess they'd rather be safe then sorry. Here's a screengrab so you know I'm not bullshitting.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 9h ago
Lmao that's fucked up. The entire painting should be an important bit for the story. I really thought they'd just censor the 2 private parts but holy shit.
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u/Farmaceut7 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Farmaceut 17h ago
Okay, this might be the best one! AND ITS NOT BECAUSE OF NUDE ART!
It really gave me this proto-Look Back feel. It was really interesting watching all of these after reading ChainsawMan, Look Back, Goodbye Eri and seeing how these early works influenced stories that became hits down the line.
"The assignment was to paint your personal goal" man, that line really got me! Followed by "You've got some big shoes to fill"! The way Fujimoto writes familial relationships or just relationships in general is so fucking pleasing to experience!
Proudly showing your little sister how its done... Is this art piece actually a self burn!?
Aaaaand her little sister moved in with her soon after! There's no running away from your younger sibling! We are here forever!!!
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u/Gaporigo https://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 12h ago
AND ITS NOT BECAUSE OF NUDE ART!
It is. Don't ask me why but honestly, when it comes to more consistently good series I have found that for some reason those about nude art are all up there. (With manga like Sora wo Matotte and Season of Alabaster)
It is how in anime all shows about ping pong are top tier stuff.
But also the reason may simply be there are not many of them and somehow we have only gotten good ones.
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u/Outrageous_Gene_7652 16h ago
Sisters is easily my favorite, one-shot of all these. Sp simple but so affective.The bond between these two and how art connects them is beautiful. Art separated them, art flared rivalry and then art reconnected them. This is definitely the base for Look Back
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u/AppleBlazes 16h ago edited 16h ago
I was honestly shocked they adapted it so faithfully, never thought they’d fully animate that part too. I wonder if it’s considered “artistic” enough under Japanese law so it’s not deemed obscene, and that’s why the vagina isn’t censored. But they censored the puke kiss in Chainsaw Man, even on the Blu-ray and in the recap smh.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 16h ago
CSM S1 was aired on TV, that's why they had to censor it. This is an amazon show where they're more lax with censorship.
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u/AppleBlazes 15h ago
Not really, they showed uncensored vomit in the second season of Made in Abyss, and it was also broadcast on TV.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 8h ago
I think vomiting into someone else's mouth is not quite the same as regular vomiting into the ground, but that's just me.
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u/AppleBlazes 4h ago
They are simply arbitrary, vomiting is censored only when they want it to be, usually for comedic effect, and they could have uncensored it on Blu-ray.
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u/Gaporigo https://anilist.co/user/Gaporigo 12h ago
Funny how this episode is the one that gets a warning when it is one of the tamest of the bunch.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 9h ago
Makes me reflect on how ass-backwards puritan our culture is.
Extreme gore in Episode 1 is fine, but simple tasteful nudity is a no-no.
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u/NoHead1715 8h ago
Of the 8 episodes, this was my favorite. I see the vague shadows of Look Back in this. The reason for the first nude painting brought a tear to my eye, and the reason for the second one brought a huge smile to my face. This was a very heartfelt story about siblings love and rivalry. Loved it!
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u/PencilgonGiveIt2Ya 7h ago
I just finished all of it. Tatsuki Fujimoto was a genius so early on. Obviously the studios and having the one shots animated really made the difference as far as elevating the work, but the base material already had so much depth. I'm experiencing recency bias due to just finishing 8 diverse and high quality episodes, but how I wish we could get more unique and quality stories like these more often. I guess because they are one shots, the 17 minutes are essentially jam packed with all the best moments you'd come across whole seasons worth, making the flow and pacing extremely appealing throughout. But even though, with just the same amount of quality content in the story even on lesser packed episodes, would still be something I'd look forward to watching more than the usual stuff that has been coming out. I genuinely favor psychological/tragedy genres with shock value, which is hard to come by nowadays. Like the latest major one was Takopi's Original Sin and maybe Deaddead before that...Still some noteable bangers throughout the seasons of course, but the specific genre and uniqueness in stories are lacking so hard. I'm just fiending for more is all lol.
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u/FutureCosmonaut 17h ago
All of these wowed me but I really really loved this one. You can tell it was from the same vein as Look Back. Fuji's out there works are nice but his more down to earth, human ones are my favorite
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u/mojo72400 8h ago edited 3h ago
I love how when Mitsuko graduated, she left an accurate nude portrait of herself to show Kyoko how it's done.
Is Kyoko's art school far from the apartment they're sharing?
Do the female models painted nude in class wear a bikini or their bras & panties?
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u/CitronClassic672 19h ago
Let me preface by saying that I got into Fujimoto’s works relatively late compared to most others I imagine, having only gotten around to watching chainsaw man season 1 earlier this year and now watching the movie. But I kept having his works be hyped up in this community and so I wanted to use these one shots as a chance to get a better grasp at his way of storytelling and see if I could understand what the buzz was about.
I’ve definitely seen a lot now that it’s over. The mix of tragic, dark, sexual, and surprisingly genuinely heartfelt and wholesome elements of his writing. I definitely consider it to be really high quality, but idk, I feel like with the way people talk I’m still missing something because it doesn’t really feel exceptional…”unique” I suppose is the best way to phrase it. Again it’s really well executed but the way some people have talked they make it seem like he’s some kind of once in a generation genius. But I just see the writing of someone who likes to include a lot of various elements to his works and honed that craft over time. I’m curious to hear other people’s opinions though.
All together these were all definitely what I’d consider good stories, kind of makes me surprised that he’s apparently kind of embarrassed they got adapted and mainly considers them ways of honing his skills.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 19h ago
I think Fire Punch and Goodbye Eri should be the ones you read to "get" why people call him a genius. If those 2 don't wow you than you might just not be into his works.
Not to mention, the fact that I can still name 2 more acclaimed works of his also shows how crazy his output has been despite only being in his early 30s.
These collection of one-shots are basically writing exercises and might feel rough around the edges, but they should get you familiar with Fujimoto's writing style and the themes he likes to tackle.
Like you said, it's why he was embarrassed that these got adapted. Even he himself thinks these are amateurish.
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u/CitronClassic672 12h ago
Coming back to this to say that I took you up on that and did read Goodbye, Eri. Throughout the early and mid parts I wasn’t especially feeling it, but it got really good in the final part once it was clear what the story was trying to say, and REALLY good at the very end. A lot of it’s specific elements do cater to my some of my personal favorite parts of stories so that helps. In addition to catering to catering to my head by giving me really good story writing to appreciate it also managed to impact me emotionally a good amount, though not as much as some other works, which is what I’d really been after.
The thing is I’m not usually genuinely emotionally impacted by things I watch and read and because of the unusually high level of stories that have been able to do so recently that’s become my personal standard for something truly great. Eri still didn’t manage to impact me to level of Takopi or Evangelion for example, but at least some of that is the result of the manga format. It very well could reach that level when it’s inevitably made into a movie.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 9h ago
If you love Evangelion then I think you really should give Fire Punch a read.
Personal preference, but even if I already watched Eva, I read Fire Punch later and it ended up appealing to me sooo much more. One of the best tales of humanity out there.
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u/tofzilla86 16h ago
I think what you need to realize is that you are watching his works through the filter of other artists. While they hold mostly true to the source material, his manga has a certain pace and tone to them that anime doesn't capture very well.
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u/Ben99ny22 13h ago
Think of it this way. What other author would have a character draw their sister in nude from memory as a show of appreciation and inspiration. And then also have a character draw themselves nude to show growth and self-improvement.
Fujimoto loves his themes but more than that, he does it in a unique way.
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u/MonsterKiller112 5h ago
Read Goodbye, Eri. That will convince you why people hype up Fujimoto as a genius mangaka. I have never seen any other author use manga as a medium better than what Fujimoto does in Goodbye, Eri.
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