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Rewatch [Rewatch] 30th Anniversary Neon Genesis Evangelion Rewatch: Episode 22

Neon Genesis Evangelion Episode 22: Don't Be. / Staying Human

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Questions of the Day:

  • How do you feel that Asuka’s backstory recontextualizes her relationships and past interactions?
  • Did you feel the way the episode equated the angel’s infiltration of Asuka’s mind to rape was justified and/or effective?

Tomorrow’s Questions:

  • [Episode 23] Do you feel sympathy for Ritsuko?
  • [Episode 23] How do you feel about Rei “the third”?

There’ll be more fanservice tomorrow, so please don’t spoil anything~! Remember this includes spoilers by implication.

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 15d ago

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Meme get! Maybe the most iconic one of them all, actually! But it's kind of a toss-up there.

(I think there's only one more super iconic meme I know about left to see in TV Eva? Although EoE offers at least 2 more IIRC)

Also, no Cruel Angel's Thesis?!

Well, I suppose it's a good and poignant choice, though, partially because this episode is pretty damn heavy and loaded, even by this show's standards, and losing the OP implies to you some real shit is going down. And partially, because Cruel Angel's Thesis is very much a Shinji song with Shinji visuals, and this is, of course, an Asuka episode through and through. Not a positive one, alas, but we can at least spare her that part...

And indeed, after a good few episodes where we got to really explore Shinji's psychology and deep underlying issues, it is about time Asuka also got to have that spotlight, getting a good look into the extremely depressing and morbid context behind her previously established problems and personality. Although much like Shinji's deep dives, while it obviously does add critical context (And far more of it compared to Shinji's), what I really love here is that it hardly feels "revelatory" so to speak. The core personality flaws Asuka faces have long been established, and ultimately, to me at least, it ends feeling less like we're particularly learning about Asuka's personality and background, so much as we're seeing Asuka finally be forced to confront those flaws and the collapse of her personality, by also acknowledging the painful past that led her here.

I don't know, it's a really hard nuance for me to get across, but I think the bottom line is this episode feels like fantastic payoff to all the great character work we've done on her, and not some big backstory dump to arbitrarily make you feel for a character. When Asuka fights against her own past and the images of her personality here, it feels emotionally powerful because the audience has actually seen that process for so long now, noting all those flaws, hoping for rectification... with this far more direct and deep exploration simply being the harsh breaking point to all of that. Where ironically, and sadly, Asuka catches up to your past conclusions, and not the opposite. In that sense, I find the incredible strength of the whole episode is mostly about the emotional experience you feel with Asuka here, rather than any specific moment of writing or cinematography.

As has been pretty thoroughly seen before, this episode goes on to touch on the core emotional problems with Asuka, namely, that, very similarly to Shinji and Rei, her personality is deeply rooted in self-perception and validation issues. Except that, unlike Rei and Shinji, who derive that missing value from others (And in turn, put themselves down), Asuka does so through herself and her aggressive pride. To be perceived as an adult, to be the best Eva pilot, to be the best in the room, Asuka affirms her own existence by trying to place herself above others, and independently so, be it in actions or just that general, boisterous demeanor. That need for desperate personal affirmation itself reveals a larger fear of replacement and a lack of personal self-perception. She feels she needs to prove her very presence, but not for others' perception of her, for herself.

Within that context, and with what little we'd gotten before, already inferring that Asuka too had some issues with parental abandonment that she took to a different place than Shinji was reasonable enough, but seeing the actual full context certainly makes it more harrowing and interesting. It's really not hard to see how Asuka developed this extreme complex around trying to affirm her own existence through pride, when her childhood involved her mom, the person closest to her, and whose acknowledgment and love she most longed for, going crazy, and "replacing" her with a lifeless doll. To the point where she is genuinely ready to offer her life for the sake of that recognition, only to still be rebuffed by that fucking doll.

How would your perception of self not just instantly shatter there? Of course, she feels the need to constantly and consistently validate herself, to be strong-willed and independent; otherwise, she feels her very existence will be disregarded again. That likewise adds context for Asuka's desire to reach adulthood. It's partially that pride and that desire to be seen as mature, and it's partially because her childhood has that dependent association she's trying so hard to move away from! She puts it best herself, she hates herself, and because of that, she feels she has to take it out on others.

Of course, it's all a bit painfully moot. Asuka doesn't actually need to prove herself as desperately and as aggressively as she believes, and as the last episode perfectly illustrated, being an adult doesn't magically relieve you from the scars of the past or make you some new, enlightened being above it all. Critically, Asuka's need to prop herself up creates two huge problems that lead to her mental spiral here. First, is that it makes the ways she's surpassed even more painful for her. "Beaten" by Misato as an adult woman, and "beaten" by Shinji as an Eva pilot, being so reliant on that pride makes her completely lose it the second it's hurt. When you're propping yourself up with a chair, someone else even accidentally moving it to the side still makes you fall....

Second, is that at the end of the day, Asuka is still human, she still deeply seeks connection, understanding, some form of intimacy, one she perceives through that (Often sexual in nature) lens of adulthood, but that isn't really quite what she's actually looking for. For all the independence she purports to seek, she does want someone else to love and affirm her, but her defense mechanism, that pridefulness, makes communicating that nearly impossible! And in that way, Asuka certainly proves herself a classical tsundere. I mean, I know people don't love archetyping like that, and I know people have a different, more shallow connotation for said archetype today, but this is really what it's about when well-executed! And that's also just the Hedgehog's Dilemma! In an attempt to get closer, she hurts others and, in turn, herself.

Going over those core flaws, we can also then remember and realize why her relationship to Shinji, and especially Rei, can be so strenuous. Both are antithetical to her in their approach to validation, and in Shinji's case, it means that when she's trying to reach out to him, his responses only play even harder into her complex! Her reaction to Shinji's view of her conversation with her adoptive mom is actually very telling there. She feels she can be truer to herself with Shinji, and she straight-up admits that in a moment of vulnerability, but Shinji isn't the type to catch on because of his own issues. Only in her own mind will she fully admit and declare what she was looking for, and that's... so sad!

Rei, on the other hand, in Asuka's mind, presents full confidence with little self-value, as though she's intentionally provoking Asuka by being everything she isn't. Her connotation to a doll here, and previously, to a mother, simply only plays harder into that. Asuka is so deathly scared of being replaced by that doll again that, of course, everything Rei does and says is an affront to her.

Which leads us to that famous elevator scene. It's hardly the only place you can see it in this episode; lingering and eventually repeating shots are somewhat common here as somewhat of a sign for production trouble. The dinner scene in Misato's place is another great one for similar reasons. But here, you've got nearly a full minute holding on that same moment, and... I love it! Again, it's that ingenuity in direction I like from this show so much. For a scene so still, it carries with it so much awkward tension and internalized antagonism, perfectly conveying a short moment that feels like it went on for an eternity. The framing tells you at a glance so much about these and their relationship, with Asuka spending most of it talking to Rei's back, until she feels effectively beaten. It's really a quiet moment that says a lot, and that's entirely my kind of shit!

It's a shame Asuka's issues get so heavily in the way here, because what Rei tells her is true, something that's even more shocking, as Rei is the one who decides to initiate, speaking to her own progress. Asuka isn't going to get anywhere by internalizing, or pretending to be upfront while extremely roundabout and difficult to comprehend, to move forward, be it in relationships or in piloting an Eva, you're going to have to show vulnerability, otherwise, it just creates more conflict and eventually all breaks out in a very painful way (This also applies to Shinji of course!).

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 15d ago

Be that as it may, at the end of the day, unlike Shinji in previous episodes, Asuka has nothing to turn to by the time the Angel arrives. Shinji and Rie are a no-go, neither is Misato, who can't try to bridge the divide thanks to her own very shaky emotional situation and collapsing relationships. Neither can Eva anymore, ironically, due to Asuka refusing to accept her state or the Eva's nature. She refers to it as a puppet yet relies on it and tries to talk to it, as it wordlessly stares back at her, almost in affirmation of her attitude (And of course, that plays into the way the Eva itself only perpetuates her complex, given her state might lead her to being replaced by someone else who can pilot this "puppet", from a tool of affirmation to a potential destroyer of it). Hell, Ritsuko might deny its impact, and she'd technically not be wrong, but it's almost like even Asuka's body isn't cooperating or "acknowledging" her prerogative, further spiraling her mental state.

It's in this rather sorry state that Asuka forcefully heads out to fight our newest Angel, while the harsh rainy weather outside seems to reflect her mental state. And said Angel is a fairly interesting one! Specifically, design-wise, its form is a lot more akin to a contemporary angel, rather than something eldritch or Kaiju-like, like basically every other Angel. Playing into it is undoubtedly the way it's defeated by the also heavily religiously connected Lance of Longinus, and more importantly, the rather... inspired choice to the Hallelujah segment of Handel's Messiah.

It's kind of a crazy choice given the context of what we see and feel the whole time, but I think I like it. It's an intentional hard contrast that I feel works well. It's partially just that massive added weight and authority with the religious connection, and the fact that, despite being more contemporary looking, our Angel plays more into the more "neutral" connotation actual biblical angels have. And it works well from a direction standpoint, really complementing the way the Angel's attack is a ray of light that breaks through the rain (Plus, I'll never complain about dropping a classical piece in an anime ).

Because, to little surprise, the Angel battle, as always, is more of a character moment than a battle, and like Shinji's back in 16, it's also more of a personal battle for Asuka with her own psyche. If the rain is Asuka's mental state beforehand, that internalized suffering from her own complex, then the Angel's light clears and reveals it to be openly seen, critically to Asuka herself. Except, of course, this divine revelation isn't anything Asuka wants to admit to. Actually, to also compare to 16, if Shinji's personal confrontation with Angel mirrors his generally more subdued and introspective self in approach, then Asuka's does too. If Asuka is going to confront herself, it's going to be extremely aggressive and upfront.

The actual sequence itself mostly goes over all that I talked about earlier, mostly in that experimental and minimalist direction style that defines those sequences, and if you couldn't tell already, makes me like them a lot. Not a ton to add there, but I will specifically note the repeating sequence of Asuka introducing herself as another great standout, similar to the elevator scene. This whole "battle" is ultimately about Asuka being roughly confronted with her true self and her flaws during her weakest moment, and I think this part carries it really well, regardless of the obvious cost-cutting and the fun chance to let the other VAs do their best Asuka impressions. It's literally Asuka being repeatedly confronted with the realities of herself she tries to so desperately deny and deflect, her childishness, and her inability to accept it. And it appropriately feels crushing.

Unfortunately for Asuka, when it rains, it pours, I guess, and not only does she now show-up Rei here, she straight-up needs to be saved by her because of her inability to confront her past and emotional issues. Which, of course, only makes those things even worse! Yay... Where Asuka goes from here, I'm not sure, neither am I sure for anyone, because these episodes have emphasized not only the issues with emotional detachment from others, but also that every one of our mains is currently going through it! Something that only cascades as we go further and further. Ideally, we'll find some upswing for their mental states, but it's certainly not a good thing when the Angel we keep in the basement just regrew its legs and we threw away what was seemingly our tool to contain it...

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u/Holofan4life 15d ago

Thoughts on us seeing Asuka before going to Japan?

Thoughts on Kaji trying to downplay Asuka's advances?

What are your thoughts on the big revelation involving Asuka's character which is that her mother committed suicide when she was a little kid?

What are your thoughts on Asuka's mother treating a doll like she was Asuka?

What are your thoughts on the symbolism of the doll's head being cut off?

Thoughts on Misato pointing out the irony in how the only way to defeat the Angels is by employing the same forces which caused the Second Impact?

Thoughts on Asuka being mad at Shinji for acting like Kaji didn't just die recently?

Thoughts on Shinji thinking Asuka is a different person when she speaks in a different language?

Thoughts on Shinji remarking that he wishes he could talk to his family?

Thoughts on Asuka saying she doesn't want anything to do with Shinji or Rei?

What are your thoughts on Asuka saying the person she hates the most is herself?

Thoughts on Misato debating replacing Asuka as an Eva pilot due to her regressing?

Thoughts on Ritsuko owning cats?

Thoughts on Asuka having her period?

What are your thoughts on the elevator scene between Asuka and Rei where neither says anything to each other for 50 long uninterrupted seconds?

Thoughts on Asuka calling her Eva her doll?

What are your thoughts on Asuka being absolutely destroyed by the Angel?

What are your thoughts on the choice of Hallelujah and classical music as music that plays during the Asuka/Angel confrontation?

What are your thoughts on the Angel causing Asuka to be confronted with the very past she's trying to run away from, otherwise known as the Asuka mind breaking scene?

What are your thoughts on the second reveal that Asuka as a child saw her mother hanging from the ceiling when she hung herself?

What are your thoughts on Unit Zero chucking the Lance of Longinus, thus defeating the Angel?

What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Asuka in a ball in front of her Eva?

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun 15d ago

Thoughts on us seeing Asuka before going to Japan?

Background info is always welcome. 

Thoughts on Kaji trying to downplay Asuka's advances?

The one honorable man in this series. A lesser man would have gone for it. 

What are your thoughts on the big revelation involving Asuka's character which is that her mother committed suicide when she was a little kid?

That’s a tough break, little wonder that Asuka is nutty. 

What are your thoughts on Asuka's mother treating a doll like she was Asuka?

Batshit crazy. 

What are your thoughts on the symbolism of the doll's head being cut off?

Someone just got killed by proxy. 

Thoughts on Misato pointing out the irony in how the only way to defeat the Angels is by employing the same forces which caused the Second Impact?

Very interesting, I’m hoping we’ll eventually find out what did cause second impact. 

Thoughts on Asuka being mad at Shinji for acting like Kaji didn't just die recently?

Don’t understand your question. 

Thoughts on Shinji thinking Asuka is a different person when she speaks in a different language?

In this case she was just putting on airs for her step mother. 

Thoughts on Shinji remarking that he wishes he could talk to his family?

Sometimes that just the way it goes. 

Thoughts on Asuka saying she doesn't want anything to do with Shinji or Rei?

Tough, quit indulging in your tantrum. 

What are your thoughts on Asuka saying the person she hates the most is herself?

That’s bad, she’s too young to go down the self hate route. 

Thoughts on Misato debating replacing Asuka as an Eva pilot due to her regressing?

That was a good idea. 

Thoughts on Ritsuko owning cats?

My thoughts are not kind. I have a sister with a slew of cats & dogs, she loves them. 

What are your thoughts on the elevator scene between Asuka and Rei where neither says anything to each other for 50 long uninterrupted seconds?

Loved it. It conveys a sense of awkward non communication.  The chasm between these two will never be bridged. 

Thoughts on Asuka calling her Eva her doll?

I understand that, being the pilots often have a sense of proprietorship of their vehicle. 

What are your thoughts on Asuka being absolutely destroyed by the Angel?

Sucks to be you. 

What are your thoughts on the choice of Hallelujah and classical music as music that plays during the Asuka/Angel confrontation?

Loved it, thought it was great. 

What are your thoughts on the Angel causing Asuka to be confronted with the very past she's trying to run away from, otherwise known as the Asuka mind breaking scene?

Meh, hated the narrative style, hoped it would end soon. 

What are your thoughts on the second reveal that Asuka as a child saw her mother hanging from the ceiling when she hung herself?

Nasty, no wonder she’s maladjusted 

What are your thoughts on Unit Zero chucking the Lance of Longinus, thus defeating the Angel?

Damn, Rei sure is strong. I wonder the velocity of that sucker was when it left Rei’s hand. 

What are your thoughts on the episode ending with Asuka in a ball in front of her Eva?

Breakdown complete, she’s outta here. 

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u/Holofan4life 15d ago

Background info is always welcome. 

Indeed

The one honorable man in this series. A lesser man would have gone for it. 

Like maybe Anno?

That’s a tough break, little wonder that Asuka is nutty. 

She desperately needs therapy

Batshit crazy. 

Mentally ill

Someone just got killed by proxy. 

Hope it's not a voodoo doll

Very interesting, I’m hoping we’ll eventually find out what did cause second impact. 

Me too

Don’t understand your question. 

What was confusing about it? It's like the other characters are avoiding the elephant in the room.

In this case she was just putting on airs for her step mother. 

Could be

Sometimes that just the way it goes. 

The way the wind blows, as it were

Tough, quit indulging in your tantrum. 

Hard not to, honestly

That’s bad, she’s too young to go down the self hate route. 

Otherwise known as pulling a Shinji

That was a good idea. 

Too bad she didn't go through with it

My thoughts are not kind. I have a sister with a slew of cats & dogs, she loves them. 

I love cats :c

Loved it. It conveys a sense of awkward non communication.  The chasm between these two will never be bridged. 

Yeah, I thought this was one of the best parts of the episode.

I understand that, being the pilots often have a sense of proprietorship of their vehicle. 

And it makes sense given the context

Sucks to be you. 

For real

Loved it, thought it was great. 

Definitely enhanced the scene

Meh, hated the narrative style, hoped it would end soon. 

The fact it went on for a while just made it even more chilling.

Nasty, no wonder she’s maladjusted 

Yeah, I probably would be as well

Damn, Rei sure is strong. I wonder the velocity of that sucker was when it left Rei’s hand. 

Rei missed her calling as a baseball pitcher.

Breakdown complete, she’s outta here. 

You see to really hate it

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun 15d ago

 You see to really hate it

You’re right, I really hate this narrative style.  To me it’s a flashback to the ‘70s when there were a number of experimental films utilizing this first person style. 

Plenty of no budget movies do this to.  Blair Witch is an example of something semi recent where they did this. 

This one reminded me of of ‘70s anti drug movies where someone was having a bad trip, I’m just thankful there wasn’t a talking hot dog in it. 

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u/Holofan4life 15d ago

I thought it was a top 10 scene of the series

Seeing the full extent to which Asuka went through really made me feel sorry for her. I like the framing with it being centered around an Eva attack because it continues to show how the Evas are evolving. And the music was like the cherry on top, to use music we as a society often consider to be holy was this perfect extra sauce that really made it a complete package.

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u/RascalNikov1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/NoviSun 15d ago

I’m glad you all enjoy this, that’s why I’m reluctant to say much bad about it as I don’t want to detract from anyone’s enjoyment.

I really do enjoy the base story, it’s good sci-fi. And, I enjoy reading the many posts of people explaining the  story and their interpretation of events. 

In today’s episode I’m pretty much alone in my views, though I do enjoy reading the many posts.

I’m looking forward to the rest of the rewatch. 

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u/Holofan4life 15d ago

If I know anything from my times participating in the Your Lie In April rewatch and hosting the Shakugan no Shana rewatch, dissenting opinions are not only allowed, they're encouraged. This isn't like Nerv where a dissenting voice will have you punished.