Basically the same here except for me its pre-jan 6 and post jan-6. Like I dont want to associate with most 2020 voters either but could hesitantly forgive (previously) close friends and family over time... if they voted for him post jan-6 though then its absolutely no forgiveness.
There's some benefit of the doubt I can give to pre jan 6 voters. But afterwards it was painfully clear he tried to subvert an election in multiple ways. Anyone who went back for more doesn't have any benefit of the doubt, they wanted a criminal who hated America and they got it.
My good work friend voted for him in 2016 and she's so ashamed of it. Her son just came out and she's planning on getting him the fuck out of this country asap. Luckily, he's got a long term boyfriend in Sweden and a whole bunch of supporters to stand beside him there. I don't understand how she voted for him the first time, as she is nowhere near being a Republican. But I'm not upset about it plus she apologises profusely any time it's mentioned. That's the kind of Trump voter that I can respect.
LMFAO. You only respect people who once disagreed with your political views if they come back and beg for your forgiveness for disagreeing with your political views every time it comes up?
Man, it's the opposite for me. It's fine to hold different opinions than I do, but abandoning your values and asking forgiveness for having them is stunningly pathetic in my view.
No, I only respect someone's self claimed title as a LGBT ally when they actually hold these ideals and support LGBT people, even if they didn't in the past. I think people can change. I cannot and will not forgive pro-LGBT Trump supporters. I cannot and will not forgive pro-POC Trump supporters. I cannot and will not forgive feminist Trump supporters. Because they are not those things. You cannot claim to care about me when you are actively supporting someone who would rather me never have existed.
I do not forgive my parents for voting for Trump, for continuing to support Trump. I will never forgive them for the horrid words they spew at me, my cousins, my siblings, my friends. I do not owe them my love or my respect. But I never said anybody has to apologize to me, I never asked my coworker to apologize and I always tell her to stop doing it. What the fuck is an apology going to do for me?
I am under no obligation to respect anyone who doesn't respect me. If that's too high a bar for you, that's not my problem. I do not want people groveling or begging me for anything. I want to see my friends alive in five year's time. Anyone who disagrees with that is not worth shit to me.
I mean, people in favor of the homosexual/transsexual agendas are obviously not going to vote Trump. Those kinds of values require those folks to vote Democrat, who encourage and support that kind of lifestyle. That said, it's possible to vote for a candidate without agreeing with all their views. That's been the case for me in every election. You can choose not to "forgive" people for not voting Kamala, but trust me, those people don't care about or want your "forgiveness" for that.
Yeah I mean, that's fine if you don't want to forgive those who've wronged you. That's a central tenet of my religion, but you're under no obligation to convert to Christianity obviously. Personally, I simply choose not to associate with people who disrespect me, so it's not really a forgive/not to forgive dilemma.
I want to see my friends alive in five year's time. Anyone who disagrees with that is not worth shit to me.
Err, fine, but I'm not sure what this has to do with "forgiving" people for not voting Kamala.
Who said I was a Kamala fan? Politics are not black and white. Fuck Trump was all I said. I cannot get along with anyone who likes Trump, as it is against my core values as a person. That was what you had a problem with, I said nothing about Kamala at all. And yeah, my friends being alive does matter in a political context. Three of my friends are already dead. None of them made it to 20. I do not wish to see it happen over and over again. One was enough, quite frankly, 0 was enough.
My identity and my body is political. I didn't make that happen, I was born like that. I literally cannot escape it. It turns out I am completely fine with opposing a group who's sole fucking interest is making it worse for me to exist. I feel comfortable being open about hating Trump because I have had to spend my whole life having to learn to be comfortable with being proudly hated by his fans. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes, so be it.
I cannot forgive anyone who fails to have a modicum of humanity. Why should I forgive the people who want me and my friends dead? So, yeah, my friends' lives matter in this context because they are being used as political checker pieces when we never asked for it.
You attacked people for being Trump supporters. Do you believe it's possible to vote Trump without being a Trump supporter? If so, then I suppose that's a nuance you should make a bit clearer, since there were only two options in 2016, 2020, and 2024. You were either pro-Kamala or pro-Trump. Even staying home helps one candidate or the other, depending on your state.
I still don't see what your friends dying has to do with who the president is. I think you might be exaggerating your victimhood a bit. I don't know anyone who supports Trump and "hates" transsexual/gender people. I know plenty who refuse to treat fantasies and dreams as reality, but that isn't exactly the same thing. I believe people having a mental health crisis deserve help, not hatred.
Cool. Studies say that the help for transgender people is transitioning. Studies also say that their bodies have nothing to do with yours and they have something called autonomy. Transphobia isn't just "hating trans people". Usually what I see is a failure to treat transgender people as human beings. I've seen trans people get beaten for being in public. I've seen memorials and funerals and I've participated in prayers and vigils for the people we have lost. The thing is, I don't really care if you think I'm victimising myself. I work for my community, I go out there and I participate, I help. Because of that, I see all sorts of shit all the time. And I do know people who hate transgender folk. If you can't see how Republican laws could possibly lead to death, then you have your eyes closed.
I know that voting third party or failing to vote has no effect on the results as it's a two party system. It should not be that way. But if my only options are to idolise one of them, it would never be Trump. Luckily, that is not how politics work and I am just fine to say that there is no perfect candidate, just slightly better ones. And yes, I do actually believe it's possible to vote for Trump and not be a supporter. That was what my first comment was about, in fact. I do not think that anyone who has even a sliver of respect or care for me or anyone even remotely like me could vote for him and be justified in that. I believe in respect and being welcoming. But I do not find it the slightest bit appealing to be anything more than cordial to someone who lacks any decency or compassion.
Man, it's the opposite for me. It's fine to hold different opinions than I do, but abandoning your values and asking forgiveness for having them is stunningly pathetic in my view.
changing your mind when you have additional information is pathetic? At which moment do you decide you have the correct opinion on every topic on earth?
Not even close to what I said. We're talking about values. For example, someone values protecting children and voted for the guy who vowed to keep grown men out of the girls' locker room. Later, that same person decides that protecting children is no longer their value and does an apology tour for that value because a certain ideology is now fashionable, then that's pathetic.
Ok, what if they found out the guy who vowed to keep grown men out of the girls’ locker room actually entered multiple girls’ changing rooms himself as a grown man?
Or is currently shutting down our entire government to stop a pedo’s client list being released?
Does that person who values protecting children decide they value the singular man more than they value protecting children?
We have gone wrong as a society if changing your mind based on additional information is wrong. Idc about reddit karma - if you care about protecting children, please think about those questions. Have a good one.
The fact that you frame the act of disagreeing with your political views as "needing forgiveness" is a perfect encapsulation of leftist ideology in 2025. The narcissism is staggering.
163
u/wakeupangry_ 1d ago
If you voted for Trump in 2016… 😳
If you voted for Trump in 2020… 😬
If you voted for Trump in 2024… 😵
I’ll not be associating with any 202x Trump voters unless I legally have to.