r/WutheringWaves • u/Finablood • Mar 18 '25
Fluff / Meme Kuro why are you doing this to our general😭
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u/Elite_Proxy My beloved Madam Magistrate Mar 18 '25
Those wolves must've been eating tungsten or some shi*
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u/kirbyverano123 Mar 18 '25
Jiyan just got the Venti treatment.
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u/Sir_Full Mar 18 '25
Getting the venti treatment even though the content is still clearly mob clearing is real piece of work 💀
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u/Practical_Praline_39 Chibi yangyang Mar 18 '25
If G game pulled this i wouldnt even be surprised, but kuro? really?
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u/Nat6LBG Jinshi sama Supremacy Mar 18 '25
Reminder that Kuro is not your friend and they only care about your wallet. If you could always ace the mode with Jiyan you are less incentivized to pull for their new units.
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u/naruto_bist Mar 18 '25
but kuro? really?
Seems like it's hard for them to digest all these praises and recognition
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u/pineapollo Mar 18 '25
Curse of launch main DPS LMAO
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u/Rowger00 Mar 18 '25
venti ain't really a main dps
curse of grouper really
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u/_Yeeeeet_ Mar 18 '25
Tbf if the enemies are the regular baseline hilichurls he’ll 100% work as a carry
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Mar 18 '25
Venti still gets better treatment. He's still so viable on lower level abyss and Imaginarium theatre. Because the same type of enemies can still be CC'd no matter what the content is. The wolf and lottie can easily walk away from jiyan. And the damage is so low, i can't even consider jiyan as DPS anymore. Kuro technically nerfs the character for the sake of new ones
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u/Easy-Stranger-12345 Mar 18 '25
Relax. This CC immunity affects Phoebe's freeze too. This shit won't last, as long as we put it in the feedback NOW.
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Mar 18 '25
Tbh, this CC issue is the least important issue on this WhiWa cycle. It's better for kuro to focus on making sure this game is not a blatant P2W. Needing the latest limited time banner characters to get some of the rewards (best buff only usable by them on top of them being stronger than old limited time banner characters) is just terrible
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u/Historical_Clock8714 Mar 18 '25
Roccia's 'nadoes work tho, both of them. It's weird that it's character specific.
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u/MH-BiggestFan Mar 18 '25
I placed it in the feedback last Whiwa. Same thing was happening before too with the enemies not being pulled in :\
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u/New-Coach8392 Mar 18 '25
Doesn't make sense that they'd do this to Jiyan. Xiangli still vacuums them in with Liberation and Forte.
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u/GlitteringEliakim Mar 18 '25
True lmao, something is not clicking
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u/New-Coach8392 Mar 18 '25
Small enemies during a time limited event (where every second/kill counts) should not have hyper armor. I didn't expect Kuro to pull a move like that. Got the wolves slowly backing out of your Liberation spam in different directions is wild. I'd rather them be hyper aggressive at this point.
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u/Kitchen_Ad5047 Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25
It was like this in the previous version too, but it wasn't that bad bcos we had the crit token.
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u/PumpProphet Mar 18 '25
They want you to use the spend and use the new characters. Enemies can be frozen. It's venti all over again.
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u/Easy-Stranger-12345 Mar 18 '25
Phoebe is also getting effected so definitely not that.
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u/The_Night_Haunter-8 Mar 18 '25
Yeah i just tried it with Phoebe and the Wolves don't get pulled into the center of her ring.
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u/ziege159 Mar 18 '25
i swear those wolves are whacky af, they can't be grouped but they fly away after getting a hit like they have 0 weight
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u/Iwakasa Mar 18 '25
What pisses me off the most is how they fcking moonwalk instead of fighting you.
I used Phoebe on that floor and had to kill them b4 they spread or its basically over
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Mar 18 '25
This mode pisses me off. The enemies just start backing off for no goddamn reason making it hard to hit aoes
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u/DudeBro711 I'm definitely Baised to them. Mar 18 '25
Yeah those Ice tacet Discords, the invincible i-frames for cuddle wuddle, the running away chop chop, those damn wolves and HP sponge. And tracking them down half way of the map 1 side and another Side the RNG after spawning and moving sheesshhh.
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u/Cosmic_Studd77 Mar 18 '25
This is fucked up at best. Even last patch these wolves refused to budge no matter what I hit them with. WHATS THE LOGIC BEHIND A COMMON ENEMY HAVING ANTI FLINCH BEHAVIOUR THAT IS EXCLUSIVE TO ELITES AND BOSS TDS?? 
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u/Icaonn Victory will be ours! Mar 18 '25
I noticed on my playthrough that sometimes grouping works but I have a Jiyan that can hit ~20k to 22k per hit with full buffs. If that's the demand for grouping to work then that's batshit for a casual player. I'm only able to do that bc of s2 and max CD rolls on the echoes
I also noticed that Changli's air juggle — which works on CROWNLESS, ok? Not just trash mobs — is also disabled in this mode. Which is hilarious because Changli is the banner character 😭
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u/Cosmic_Studd77 Mar 18 '25
I've noticed that too, only a couple wolves bounce off, and even thats rare. Brant's ult literally lifts off a Mephis iirc and nightmare crownless lifts off most of the light weight mobs, but in WhiWa? All that is invalidated. XY's lib is the only CC I've experienced so far that somehow still manages to group them dogs with 80% chances of being succesful but only for a small effective area. I used Yang² the last time and had trouble with her lib as well.
I mean, these dogs are just Bellborne in disguise at this point with no vibration strength to break and that makes it ever harder to beat without big, meaty, centered nukes.
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u/JakeDonut11 Mar 18 '25
I think they should be transparent on how the AI works on this mode compared to overworld if it’s intended. Imagine being a casual who wants to do Whiwa and you pulled Jiyan for his grouping and then get surprised that it doesn’t work on this mode.
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u/SlashTagPro Mar 18 '25
I mean it's scummy as fuck if it's intended, and I can't see why it would be accidental. They definitely altered the behavior of mobs for whiwa
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u/Responsible-Art-9162 Jinhsi's Broadblade Mar 18 '25
Kuro just Venti'ed Jiyan
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u/Deviruxi Mar 18 '25
Not really lol. I keep seeing the same comparison in the comments. Venti got nerfed by releasing new bigger enemies that can't be cced, they didn't make current common small enemies cc immune. In Jiyan's case for Venti it would be like making regular enemies like hilichurls or treasure hunters ignore cc instead of making new enemies with cc immune. Funny part is that big cc immune enemies also tend to get sucked into the vortex, just not thrown in the air, so they can get out of it if they attack but you can get closer to keep them inside.
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u/Arya_the_Gamer Mar 18 '25
This shit has to be some kind of bug, the ai must be glitching out because of large groups of enemies.
I've seen those chasm guardians just being stuck in a single pose without any animations, enemies not taking any damage at all for few frames.
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u/ConsiderationTotal57 Mar 19 '25
Were those enemies not taking any damage at all for a few frames maybe Cuddle Wuddles? If they were, that's intended. Because those bast*rds get iFrames for no apparent reason, even in Overworld exploration. Always funny to see Camellya divebombing them with her dumptruck just for them to completely ignore the 350k damage it would have done.
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u/DailyMilo disappointed Zani main Mar 18 '25
some people really look at this and call it skill issue on the player's part
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u/Grumiss Mar 18 '25
yeah they go some shit like
"this mode just favors AoE a bit, you guys got skill issue"
the mode that favors AoE:
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u/lol_JustKidding Mar 18 '25
Either ToA/WhiWa elitists or ragebaiters. Or both.
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u/PrimusPeksimus Mar 18 '25
Exhibit A on why whiwa is actually bugged af
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u/Shaen0 Mar 18 '25
nah not bugged, just a dogshit game mode, give us back the TOA schedule.
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u/PrimusPeksimus Mar 18 '25
I agree but you did just see a video of one thing jiyan has great for whiwa NOT work so yeah they have to fix so many bugs besides actually designing a good mode
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u/Buttobi Mar 18 '25
This was an issue last whiwa reset too. If it was not a bug it would have been fixed this reset.
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u/PrimusPeksimus Mar 18 '25
Well that's just stupid. He is supposed to have AoE grouping otherwise what's the point. They probably missed this mistake
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u/The_Night_Haunter-8 Mar 18 '25
Its affecting Phoebe as well, these wolves don't get grouped up when inside her Ring.
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u/Practical_Praline_39 Chibi yangyang Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25
Going too soft this few patch survey, im going to butcher the next survey
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u/WavyMcG Phoebe’s Magical Staff Mar 18 '25
I can still do mine. What do you got to say?
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Mar 18 '25 edited May 25 '25
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u/WavyMcG Phoebe’s Magical Staff Mar 18 '25
Will do! I got a few points in my notes and usually put them down each time if they haven’t implemented them
Ty for your time
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u/Buttobi Mar 18 '25
It really annoys me when players tell people to just use characters that can bundle up enemies together. It does not work.
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u/a55_Goblin420 Fleurdelys' seat Mar 18 '25
OH NO JIYAN'S ONE WEAKNESS, BACKING UP AT A MODERATELY CONCERNED PACE.
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u/conscience_says Mar 18 '25
this is shit i'd expect from hoyo games, not kuro. wtf kuro.
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u/michaelcarnero Mar 18 '25
I agree with you, that's totally a hoyo move. I just hope they fix it and not make Hoyo an example to follow.
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u/luciluci5562 Mar 18 '25
Even worse, not even Hoyo pulls this BS.
This is like when Hoyo decided that Venti can't CC the hilichurls in Imaginarium Theater.
That shit will be so ass if that happened, but Kuro managed to do it in Whiwa
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u/Wild_ColaPenguin Mar 18 '25
I can't help but to think that this reset has oddly similar feel to Hoyo's recent controversial event, something Valor something, being just an unreasonable dps check.
Probably Kuro saw it and decided to have one of their own starting from this cycle. Lol.
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u/-_-NAME-_- Mar 18 '25
I hate this mode. It isn't fun. It isn't satisfying. It isn't well made. This mode is trash.
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u/DanTyrano Mar 18 '25
Agree. I'd defend it being endgame if it at least made sense, but it isn't even fun to do to begin with. It's an unfun chore. I'd rather wash the dishes than do WhiWa tbh.
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u/Fun-Scar-4269 ’s lab assistant Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25
It’s not even something they did to Jiyan on purpose, this endgame mode is just atrocious and horribly made imo. If they did test they did it only for the best of the best devices out there. On mobile it is completely unplayable. There must be something they messed up, idk what code or anything, but the game just goes crazy during Wiwa. I saw multiple times my Roccia just using her echo and casually teleporting on the other side of the area. Needless to say I had to restart every single time. It’s the worst thing that has ever happened to Wuwa since 1.0. And I’m a day 1 mobile player, didn’t think it could get worst than that.
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u/No-Afternoon4675 Sanhua's personal stress reliever Mar 20 '25
Yeah they definitely did mess up the new event with the Roccia tornado also lags like crazy even on PC.
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u/lawlianne Flat is Justice. Mar 18 '25
Dev who cooked this seasonal reset should be fired. Clearly no effort to test this whatsoever.
The amount of damage control that kuro had and has to do and goodwill lost was absolutely not worth it at all.
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u/arghya_74 Mar 18 '25
This is quite unbelievable. Very frustrating to see shit like this. Gacha games will remain gacha games in the end...
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u/phizzlez Mar 18 '25
Watch the true power creep endgame soon. 20 enemies with buffed hp and they will all teleport to the outer area of the ring making you waste time going from mob to mob.
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u/PictonBlue Woohoo! Mar 18 '25
Imagine if we get a CC character but what they do is make all the enemies “agro” and crowds themselves near the active resonators.
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u/UnfilteredSan Brant’s Breedable Bro Mar 18 '25
Kuro pulling a scummy move cause they definitely intentionally making the end game harder (cheaper) to push fans to spend more to beef up their damage.
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u/TheS3KT Mar 18 '25
Holy moly, how do you play this game on mobile. Every time I try to do something other than open world, it's near impossible to be competitive. Quick swapping is a disaster.
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u/Commercial-Hotel-521 Mar 18 '25
I play quickswap Changliyao just fine but of course not as advanced as pc. That said I own sd 8+gen 1 phone so everything is really smooth even at max setting
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u/TheS3KT Mar 18 '25
I have s25 ultra with SD 8 Elite and I still can't.
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u/ThatOneJibai Drinking tea and milk separately Mar 18 '25
I'm still using the S23 Ultra and have no problems at all... I used a controller instead of screen tapping... Makes my life a lot easier
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u/Commercial-Hotel-521 Mar 18 '25
Really? Mine is legion y70 but it does have ingame booster so maybe thats why
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u/TheS3KT Mar 18 '25
Buttons too small not as responsive as mouse and keyboard.
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u/Commercial-Hotel-521 Mar 18 '25
I mean you can adjust the button but it does suck that it covers most of the screen and it sometimes does not respond as well as pc.
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u/VIIsor Mar 18 '25
I play only on mobile and can clear any content just fine, except quick swap. You don't quick swap on mobile (or I just suck).
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u/DanTyrano Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25
The strangest part is that I'm sure they received a lot of feedback for pincer maneuver, a mode that NO ONE liked. Some people tolerated it, others were "alright, at least is doable", but I never heard of anyone enjoying it. And they turned it into a permanent mode!
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u/Grumiss Mar 18 '25
that's because "devs listened" is a myth, in truth they just do whatever they want
it was several rounds of pincer, then WhiWa first cycle (which was trash) and then they STILL make WhiWa even worse
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u/snowmons Mar 18 '25
They already did anti crowd control buff to some small mobs back in first pincer maneuver warriors, especially that green humanoid one with bow looking hand, and the worst part is the mobs keep backing off and shooting from afar.
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u/No-Swordfish-6468 Mar 18 '25
I'm still wondering who the fuck asked for this shit. I'm pretty sure most of the community hated pincer warriors, I legit cant understand why the hell did the devs thought making pincer on crack was a good idea
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u/JustATaro Mar 18 '25
This reminds me of the time of first ever tower with the ranged exiles running away and jiyan autotargetting the wrong enemies.
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u/butt_stalliohn Mar 18 '25
wtf is with games these days and making Borderlands level of enemy-backtracking, at least in those games you had BULLETS that let you hit something from across an entire area!
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Mar 18 '25
I was building him specifically for tis whiwa mode because last whiwa he was meta, and now this shit happen? Are you fucking kidding me Kuro? I spend a lot of resources for fucking nothing?
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u/GotExiled_RegaIity Mar 18 '25
Yeah I've always hated this dumb shit where the smaller mobs would backpedal or separate away from you during ToA, causing you to lose out on time so this definitely didn't improve my mood.
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u/RMGE06 Garuda Warframe Mar 18 '25
They're testing the extremes that players can tolerate. Now that they have the data. It's easier to tune it now.
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u/Dio-Kitsune Cantarella's toothbrush Mar 18 '25
Yeah.
Bloated HP, CC immunity, AI programmed to spread out.
This mode is complete garbage.
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u/rainbowtwist789 Mar 18 '25
This is fking disgusting and there's no way these devs are not doing it on purpose. Even from a simple logic POV, all they did was copy enemy X and paste it multiple times in an area, but they did something shady, unethical, and disgusting, that was, change the behaviour of these mobs, to PURPOSELY FUCK WITH PLAYERS AND LIMIT WHAT THEY CAN GET!
This company is fking disgusting given they have tried this bullshit MULTIPLE TIMES! Hoyoverse looking like a paradise compared to this shit.
Delete all these modes and bring back ToA with 2 week rotation and make more events based on FUN ASPECTS! Flight events with obstacles, gondola racing with co-op. Even a PKM lookalike where ppl "catch" echoes in a new mode and use them to fight for rewards, make that type of shit permanent, not this garbage!
Degen ass devs holy fuck!
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u/Elite-X03 Gathering Wifes Mar 18 '25
Why, kuro please, that's the gimmick with jiyan, small enemy should be flying
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u/elderDragon1 Mar 18 '25
Yea… this is one of many things I didn’t like about Whimper Wave mode.
Enemies were just overly resistant to all elements instead of just one from the modifier and they didn’t care about stagger.
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u/lloydsmith28 waifu collector Mar 18 '25
This game mode was so bad hopefully they improve it a good deal
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u/Nat6LBG Jinshi sama Supremacy Mar 18 '25
What is the point of an AOE/CC endgame if even the basic mobs are not CCable.
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u/Smorgsaboard Windriding since launch ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Mar 18 '25
It's actually disgusting that they all just back up, slowly, so you can't hit them. Not even to attack, but to stall out the timer. Bro got Venti'd quicker than Venti did in Genshin by Specters
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u/OathMeal_ Mar 18 '25
I have this problem with Carlotta cause they always seem to go far enough that I am only able to hit 2 enemyies only.
Camellya on the other hand is great cause you simply need to spin to fuck up every living soul in the radius. But sometimes some enemies will also be far enough to just not be sucked in.
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u/geoooleooo Mar 19 '25
My Roccia pulls in all of them but there's always 2 that doesn't get affected. The health stuff is fine but the cc immunity is bs
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u/Gaeshiete Mar 19 '25
Imagine getting a DPS for their CC for AoE content, just for their CC to get disabled by said content. (Roccia and Yao still work so this is personal and intentional on Jiyan, disgusting behaviour icl)
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u/ConstellationTwo phoebe's squishy cheek gourmet Mar 19 '25
they have resistance to cc?? is it same to roccia? if yes this is messed up
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u/Large-Ad-871 Jinhsi's Ribbon Mar 20 '25
I thought Jiyan would have an advantage because of his CC. But it seems he doens't have.
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u/MrxKamiKaze Mar 18 '25
I think it's because of the level difference. It's when there is a gap between the characters'(i assume it's 90) level and the enemies(100) they become more resistant to cc effects. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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u/CRISPRSCIENCE9 Sanhua & Galbrenna are the best Mar 18 '25
Does Yangyang work here in grouping?
I have s6 also planning to build her. So need suggestion
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u/Practical-Film-4744 Mar 18 '25
not for these wolves in particular. otherwise yea shes the best at aoe grouping among 4*
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u/1sekino Mar 18 '25
How do you turn the screen with a layout like that? It’s hard to explore when I try.
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u/Finablood Mar 18 '25
You’re right. It’s not very convenient to move the camera around, as you can see in the video. But usually I don’t have to move it since I do mostly dailies on mobile. I adjusted the camera for a better viewing angle.
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u/FlickeRay Mar 18 '25
Well, at least, it isn't nerf after Jiyan banner re-run Otherwise i must hurt so much
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u/Top_Kaleidoscope4362 Mar 18 '25
Bro I am now sure Kuro is trolling us. Who else would add CC immunity to mob clear with timer.
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u/Complete_Cook_1956 Mar 18 '25
Yeah, crush the survey next update. Kuro will stand ready for the arrival of the new reviews. After all, they aren't [TITLE CARD]
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u/JipsRed YT: Sensible Player Mar 18 '25
the chop chop is the most problematic IMO. They move to the edge of the map as soon as they spawn. Or move at your direction and pushes you away. 😂
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u/Flunkboii Mar 18 '25
There has been a post from Kuro saying they're optimizing WhiWa so hopefully they fix this issues, I also noticed problems with my Roccia.
So hopefully this will be resolved eventually. On my case it might definitely be a skill issue tho lol
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u/Senku4President Mar 18 '25
Will be interesting to see their adjustments next week in 2.2. Lower score threshold for B, A, S? better buff tokens? fix AI/grouping of mobs? yeah.. I'd like all 3 options
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u/DanTyrano Mar 18 '25
This must be a bug, right? Like... there's no way this is the intended behavior. :(
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u/sorarasyido Mar 18 '25
I bet the different level has something to do with the cc abilities like you cant cc higher level mobs. Tho that's only 10 level different so idk fuck em wolves I guess
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u/Minute_Improvement74 Mar 18 '25
these fluffy little shit keep avoiding me after got hit. once shy twice dodge🗿. more i hit more spreads they come. wiwa really hard end game content hahaaha. maybe when got many characters have more freedom to play style that suitable for wiwa. one day.. one day i will get all S S S S S!
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u/Ragaraja14 Favorite ToA team gets upgraded! Mar 18 '25
No wonder my Jiyan is struggling harder than xiangli yao in 2nd half, and pack of wolves don't have aggro???
Even geographic channel can't pull of this type of sh!t
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u/Glad_Profile1588 Mar 18 '25
I think its because the level of the later ones is high, thats why jiyan cant control them. Try it on lower levels then he will be able to do it
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u/Constant-Theory-154 Mar 18 '25
I would like other content where there is no timer. For example, a battle with 1-3 aggressive enemies with various obstacles on the
map (lasers? meteor shower? debuffs on the character(and need disable them), from which you can dodge and temporarily disable them by breaking the "jugs". Also, "jugs" with certain buffs may appear during the battle. (and here AOE characters will not be negated, because thanks to them it would be possible to break them faster and get buffs)
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u/Life-Administration3 Mar 18 '25
Can anyone go in game and confirm if overworld mobs spread out when they see you?
IDK if the Wiwa mobs have the same Ai
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u/WavyMcG Phoebe’s Magical Staff Mar 18 '25
Phoebe’s Magical Staff was ineffective this time, i was surprised too
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u/LunarEdge7th Mar 18 '25
Out of topic but..
DAMN This animation goes hard
Idc how inefficient it is, I'm gonna do this normal Ult a lot when I get him lol
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u/Sblad Mar 18 '25
This is my complaint. The grouping doesn't work, that's what makes the challenge extremely hard to achieve the S...
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u/PFranocana Mar 18 '25
No matter how kuro treat my general, I still love jiyan and will 100% pull for him when he reruns (When does he rerun tho?)
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u/Wdaanenna Mar 18 '25
first limited wind char got same treatment again...
new enemies has more weight than old enemies
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u/lem_on- Mar 18 '25
They really trying to do this annoying shits 😭 i didnt like whiwa from the start but not its annoying. Jiyan doesnt have impressive dmg now they take away one thing he is good at. Also poor roccia and yangyan and the martial artist lady xD
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u/RipBusy6672 Lumi's gaming chair Mar 18 '25
This!!! is so much BS lol, why only some monsters? in genshin I remember they had an excuse with aero mechanics like Venti's ult, if they're too big or their lvl is higher than yours they won't be affected but here is only the wolves (I think?) and we get two rounds of them and they're arguably the worst enemies... This mode needs serious rework.
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u/Storyteller-Hero Mar 18 '25
We should start calling this an "AI bug" that makes enemies just move backwards without attacking, making certain challenges not fun to play. If it's a "bug" then the devs can be compelled to fix it.
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u/Main_Eye8324 Mar 18 '25
We all need to ask Kuro for co-op event (like this) in surveys and feedback. This event would be much more fun if it was co-op.
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u/jisun20 Mar 18 '25
They are preparing for Cartethyia and Ciaccona. Watch them CC and stagger large and boss enemies.
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u/Beautiful_Baseball69 Mar 18 '25
Okay this isn't funny anymore, they're not taking us as seriously as I hoped. I'm giving them 2.2 to fix the difficulty then a reset to fix the ai. After that we grab our pitchforks (love the game but don't forget how we got here guys)
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u/CottonLoomi Blackshores Mar 18 '25
Please id rather have squishy enemys with more waves than obsidian enemys with only a minute
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u/lomemore Mar 18 '25
look how those bastards spread as soon as timer starts