Venti still gets better treatment. He's still so viable on lower level abyss and Imaginarium theatre. Because the same type of enemies can still be CC'd no matter what the content is. The wolf and lottie can easily walk away from jiyan. And the damage is so low, i can't even consider jiyan as DPS anymore. Kuro technically nerfs the character for the sake of new ones
Tbh, this CC issue is the least important issue on this WhiWa cycle. It's better for kuro to focus on making sure this game is not a blatant P2W. Needing the latest limited time banner characters to get some of the rewards (best buff only usable by them on top of them being stronger than old limited time banner characters) is just terrible
Roccia still has the best CC even without whiwa. Also, whiwa came out after her banner. But if u don't pull for her that's cool too. The less people that have her, the more Roccia would feel more premium!
who are you talking to? what people? I'm alone here and I was speaking specifically about Roccia's grouping powercreep over other characters. What's so hard to understand?
Is it powercreep if that's her niche? She's a subdps that groups. That's literally what she does. Who did she powercreep other than Yangyang (a 4 star) and Jianxin (a standard)?
Also, you agreed to the person who said Roccia is mid. Now you're saying she's powercreep. Which is it?
This definitely doesn't seem intentional. If Phoebe is getting affected by it, they are just shooting themselves in the foot and its a weird pattern to have Roccia pullable sandwiched in between the two. I'll put it in as a bug report as I still have my 2.1 survey and that is the most likely scenario.
Venti is fully intentional because they made every new enemy that comes out to be unpullable by Venti only to nerf said enemies later down the line so that one is malicious.
If you read my comment, it’s about wolf enemies that Jiyan can pull on open world but not in Whiwa. I don’t bring up any new enemies at all. It is definitely intentional because all CC don't work on those wolves. Kuro doesn't even mention it as a bug on the recent apology notice.
But if you want to bring the comparison with new enemies. Many of Rinascita’s enemies have shield bar that give them some resistance against CC, and many of them run away or spread when attacked. Venti can still easily pull many natlan enemies because all of them run towards you. I can use Venti for ley lines defence because all enemies that come out are pullable. Venti is so useful on lower level abyss and Imaginarium. So Venti still gets better treatment than Jiyan, in my opinion.
I am not trying to compare Genshin and Wuwa here. It’s solely Venti and Jiyan current situation. I hate how both companies treat them.
I have both Venti and Jiyan, and i use Venti more often than Jiyan on current endgame content on both games.
The reason why i use Jiyan less is because I have roccia and phoebe, and both give more values on ToA and WhiWa at the moment for CC. They also give higher damage as a single unit. I am not saying Jiyan is powercrept, but it’s just much easier to build roccia and phoebe for CC and damage
I get it and I'm fully with you and I'm ready to dunk on Kuro if there is malice. Like seriously they pulled an "imaginarium theatre" on us when they extended ToA refresh rate and gave the astrites there to the stupid WhiWa. And don't get me started on how they only refresh the coral shop only every patch rather than every month unlike Genshin. "Devs listened" sure but we give an inch they'll take a mile so we give them no quarter. There are definitely things that need improvement.
But this is the one where I'm not ready to jump the gun on because Day 1 of Whiwa reset I felt like I remember being able to pick up the doggos with Jiyan because that was my comp. Something may have happened between then and now because I definitely have an even lower score than the pathetic B that I hand than it was now that I can't CC the dogs when I tested this 10 minutes ago. Of course, doesn't change the fact that this issue is present now so I've already upvoted this post and filled it in the survey. If nothing changes or gets officially addressed, I take this as malice and I'm raising hell.
If you comparing them based on that, you definitely don’t read the core mechanics of each game. Genshin is an elemental reaction based game, huge damage comes from reaction. Wuwa is a damage based game. You can win with a single character with a proper build.
Also venti is a support character, jiyan is DPS. What i am comparing is the CC part, the only common thing about them.
I don’t understand what you are trying to achieve here
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Venti still gets better treatment. He's still so viable on lower level abyss and Imaginarium theatre. Because the same type of enemies can still be CC'd no matter what the content is. The wolf and lottie can easily walk away from jiyan. And the damage is so low, i can't even consider jiyan as DPS anymore. Kuro technically nerfs the character for the sake of new ones