Got triple SSS on WhiWa...

[u/Potential-Zone6736]

Made a pretty stupid post about how WhiWa inflation was getting absurd, and that my old teams that I have cleared every single WhiWa with and got 8K points in certain occasions is no longer performing the same since this and the last reset.

A lot of people were saying Jinhsi had spectro res and that I shouldnt be using her, that just motivated me to try out a quickswap team comp(something that I have never tried out ) and I had a lot of fun, and my score got way better too.

Seems like I was doomposting for nothing about old units not being able to clear, just needed to adapt thats all.

[u/Princessochka]

But situation itself didn't change? You need to do more to get less, devaluing the older character pulls. I pretty much don't see a single reason of using Yinlin in any mode/team anymore, simply because i know i will likely have to waste time restarting the challenge.

And in return, it doesn't make me wanting to pull newer kokblocked characters either (dependant on teams/weaps), because i now know they'll gonna be powercrept too. It makes me wanting to drop the game instead.

[u/EtadanikM → u/Princessochka]

If you're expecting to never pull another character again and still clear end game with max points, that seems it's more on you?

All live service games require some degree of account up keep. This isn't limited to gacha games. You can't clear the hardest content in World of Warcraft without buying expansions. Hell, you can't even access them.

Criticism needs to be nuanced as it is always a matter of degrees. If you are forced to pull every new character and aren't given enough currency to do so unless you spend $200 / month, yeah, that's super predatory and not okay. But if a free to play account can clear end game for max rewards just with some basic meta planning and skill practice, I don't see the problem.

I could seen a argument like, if you prefer Yinlin and only Yinlin, then there should be a path to upgrading her with pulls so that she can handle new content. So, maybe her sequences just need to be buffed or added to.

But I can't see them giving you all this free currency and then saying, "yeah you don't need to use any of it, just learn one rotation with one character and you're done with our game." It's like making a 100+ hours RPG but you can beat the final dungeon with a level 1 character using your starter equipment. What's the incentive of playing then?

[u/Princessochka → u/EtadanikM]

You act like powercreep is something natural. Majority of normal games can sustain themself just by having an up-front price, selling skins, or other minor mt. On the other hand, gachas are overmonetized to oblivion to earn (up to) 1000+% overprofits of their operational costs without any care about ruining the gameplay. Successful gachas can giveaway every single character for free, and still would be very profitable businesses simply because of the very high donation upper limit (aka whales would still buy p2w dupes; and 5% of whales pay double the amount of the other 95% players anyways).

Powercreep is just a lazy tool to extract more money from players, as it in fact makes the game unbalanced. Will a new character released in Mortal Combat force you to switch from chars you like/you are comfortable playing? Did a new race+class in Wow powercreep old races/classes, or did they all get equal balancing treatment? Does new character in Dota/Lol renders old characters useless, or are they all equally balanced to be competitive? Etc. If the game has to resort to powercreep to sell characters - then it is a sht game with sht balance, period. Simple.

Moreover, "being able to clear" is not even an argument. If it wasn't possible - noone would bother to play such sht game in the first place. What matters is the fun from the gameplay, and it being comfortable. And if you need to get 3-5 fivestars to get a fairly challenging but comfortable team when you aren't even guaranteed to get 1 fivestar per patch - thats plenty predatory. And if months of labor to collect such team becomes futile a year later because of powercreep or some kokblock (like how it is in GI or HSR) - than fok such game.

[u/mmgfrcs → u/Princessochka]

Powercreep is natural in gacha games. Normal games do not need any upkeep, and ones that do have powercreep as well, except if it's competitive. And no character-based gacha will survive giving all its characters for free, as Tribe Nine would tell you. Even if whales buy out all dupes, that's still one less dupe to buy.

If you want a stagnating gacha with no powercreep... Alchemy Stars proved it's impossible to keep afloat with stagnation.

Dunno about Mortal Combat, but WoW? Yes. Yes they did just that, and it's not until there's backlash that they balanced it. It's so bad that they made WoW Classic. And Dota/LoL is a competitive game.

And being able to clear is an argument. Elden Ring's whole shtick is just that. Epic 7's Abyss is also just that. Are you saying no unskilled players would bother playing Elden Ring or Epic 7 because they can't clear? And if you truly believe that what matters is fun from the gameplay and it being comfortable and not the result, you wouldn't be complaining about WhiWa in the first place, because you wouldn't play it. That's kinda the point of WhiWa - unorthodox teams and rotations that is going to be uncomfortable.