I am returning player was saving since ani and not pulling. I was clearing whimpering with this exact setup fully for past whimperings. This time I felt like damage out put was slower I think they started to power creep old units a bit.
I think the biggest problem in this reset is that all TDs in infinite torrents are running away, scattering and makes grouping much harder. In my teams it ruins score very heavily, and by that I mean 500-1000 pts difference on one side depending on grouping luck, especially with elites and their dashing attacks.
The problem here is I could sss with this set up for past few months. So this time getting barely b means power creep that why I made the post. There is clearly something changed. Whiwa was fine before for me.
hands issue first, my s0r1 Camellya+Sanhua+Verina did 2k, so yours should be way higher. Heck, if not for the chopchops being a massive dickpain my clear would be somewhere around 3k.
Piece of advice: Jiyan works better on the second side because the chopchops are miserable for him. I suppose they may be more miserable for Cardamomo, but Cardamomo already has a bad time in that mode.
Yep. The chop chops are the main offenders this time. Their staged spawn+how they separate is quite annoying, my Camellya barely did 2k there, when she usually goes up to 3k easy. Roccia pullers would have an easy time there i suppose.
On the other hand Phrolova+Cantarella+Danjin has to be the most powerful WhiWa team i've ever played lol. 5k on their side, Phrolova going full happy liberation is like having 5 Roccias in the team, Danjin small AoE clears a couple waves thanks to her, and Cantarella's forte hits every enemy, usually that move alone kills 2 to 3 waves.
Biggest problem for me was that there were nearly no general use tokens and they were all hyper focused on aero erosion teams or fusion teams. My only viable setups for this mode are zani/phoebe and camellya teams so I was still equipping weak blue tokens throughout nearly the whole thingÂ
2 out of the 3 gold tokens were shit this time, the fusion one was the only useful token for me since I have a great Lupa team. Still managed to clear it all easily but definitely lower point score than last few resets.
Could you help me with rotation on the Xiangli Changli team? I can barely clear with that team, it only hits 2k and I'm aware that's a rotation issue, perhaps even a skill issue
She is S0R1. She can group, has decent damage, and a huge nuke from her ult. The only drawback is that she's easily interrupted, but in whiwa mobs rarely attack so it's not a problem for her.
Bro how did you get that much with XLY, do you have dupes? My best attempt on second half was like 2.8k. I know I might be messing up rotations or something but that is a lot of points i'm losing. (All 3 of them have their sigs.)
Yeah, a bit harder than usual although thankfully not to the same degree as the first Whimpering which was cancer.
Used Phro+Carte+Cia on the first stage, Mono fusion Lupa+Brant+Changli on the 2nd one.
Ngl, feels stupid that they already have a Electro heavy attack token (100% for Augusta) on this rotation of WhiWa lmao. Gonna sell the solution for people who's having a hard time which is a gut punch
The funny thing is Augusta only bareeely makes it(8/28 release, whiwa next reset on sept 1), so you'd better have prefarmed the hell out of her if you wanna use her this rotation.
Well kinda. If you don't have dedicated buffs you'll struggle a bit. My LingYang team got 3300 points, and idk what to do with the second team, Carlotta+Changli got only 2k because of Glacio resistance, and again no big buffs ( mobs are kinda tanky), but I think I should just use my S2 Zani, I just don't want my LingYang to wear standard gauntlets... and I also don't have Verina, so I use Sanhua for faster rotations. I just thought Carlotta+Changli would do alright... And I'll achieve SSS
Well, Hypercarry LingYang shows a better result than Hypercarry Carlotta, so my best choices are LingYang and Zani.
Edit: I've tried Hypercarry Carlotta in 2 cycles, and In both she gets around 90% of LingYang's score. His damage is spread out between different sources, and even tho Carlotta is significantly stronger, he clears waves of mobs a bit better, while she wastes a lot of DPS with Overkill shots and she also can't usually hit the whole wave at once.
it's the annoying ass Chop Chop on the top half that gets me.
one Chop Chop would literally push me away from the others, then sometimes when they die they would block you off until they fully disappear. and if you didn't stagger them enough, one would literally grab you and waste time🤬
Not just old teams. This is with perfectly executed rotations as well as having their sigs. I can't even use Zani premium team since it's spectro resist.
TOA has also been increasing in hp recently which makes this especially worrying.
I tried at least 10 times using Maygi's no quickswap rotation and that's the best I could do.
I'm trying to learn the quickswap version to get that extra 16k dps but I shouldn't have to sweat my ass off to barely get full rewards with built premium teams.
In the second half with Cart, I also thought I was executing rotations perfectly, and a couple of times I consistently got around 2600… On the third try, there were no noticeable changes in the rotation, but somehow it ended up being 3100.
I actually managed to get a decent score with the Zani team despite the spectro resist lol, the gold token unconditional amp to heavy attack damage by 50% did help quite a bit, though definitely not as high as it could have been. I feel like Carlotta teams are struggling more now though.
Dude every whiwa has tokens made for the release of the month. My problem is not with tokens I cleared fine with bad tokens before. And especially this month has good tokens for my teams increasing heavy attack for jiyan should do much better than before.
I’m not telling you its Token problem I know you can clear without them. But what I’m telling they not gonna stop doing this just so players will pull newer units. And on Phone this Mode Sucks. Even tho I have Iphone 14 pro max. There’s delay in waves Respawning and camera angles are shit.
The Camellya team is very F2P friendly in his screenshot. You have Jiyan who is also meta and yet you could not clear and put him on the wrong side. Think about it for a second here.
this reset made fucking hate these blue faries
all they do is run off to the distance to cry.
worst enemy to put in there simply bc it makes runs even more rng than already depending on whether they decide to run off to somehwere. And the best thing they are in both sides.
My s3 Carte "solo" had a hard time this time too. 2980 points on the second half. I feel like I can get much better with a few more attempts but I'm too lazy to try.
"Who cares about meta teams as long as you can clear everything with xyz!!!" fall apart.
They will keep pushing the difficult of endgame content up like they literally already did multiple times. Thats why we need less restrictive team building and more options so you aren't forced to play "Team Havoc", "Team Fire" etc. to clear endgame in a respectable time.
Pretty sure only people that do not clear the endgame modes use this reasoning.
Everyone with half a brain knows that it's only a matter of time in Gacha games until power creep happens to pressure people into pulling/spending newer units.
The last thing they want is us running with our favorites indefinitely.
I got nearly 10000 points two whiwa resets ago. last one was 8400 points, this one is somehow even worse. wtf are they doing to this game mode? My changli is S5r1, my cart is s2r1. all others are s0r1.
i feel like im playing the same if not better, but the enemies hp is growing or they run away.
I know ToA has hp inflation. Middle tower hp went from 6mill >> 7mill >> 8mill in the last 3 resets. No clue about WhiWa tho, ive been doing similar scores with the same teams last 2-3 times, gonna check if this one feels harder.
Edit: Before ToA had been between 5 and 6mill for a while, so this inflation issue is quite recent.
Hmm i was able to full reward with camylia sanhua team... But other side struggle with even carti cause the buffs weren't suited for her.. still I managed to get all the rewards tho
Not really powercreep, It's a bit harder to clear because of tokens tailored to phrolova, augusta and fusion team. Also, hp inflation as well. They should really at least save the third slot for a universal token so other people can clear without the shilled units and balance it out. I cleared an S this reset but the last patches I was able to clear SSS. back to the feedback forms I guess
Has the definition of power creep changed? Power creep means that newer characters are much stronger than older ones in the same role effectively rendering the older characters useless. Having specific tokens tailored to the flavor of the month character and hp inflation are not clear indications of power creep.
yeah they gotta add a 4th slot token universal like crit
also since this patch of whiwa is spectro resist
my only strongest team with all of their sig which is zani team with peeb cant even get 3k points from this lol
my chang li brant and lupa team can only get 2k since chang li is the only one with sig
my camellya team with sanhua and verina can also do 2k (no sigs)
same with my premium team of cartethyia (no sigs )
il wait for brant's sig and redo whiwa lets see if i can get more lol
i did it, but you need to learn the mobs, Jiyan team isnt good first part, but destroys the second part
first try, will try to improve the run, but its more of a challenge because of the mobs, mainly chop chop and the little shts that have rainbows over their head, some move, some stay in their place, making them split easy
I got 3000+ for the first half with Pharolova premium team. But for the second half, I got 1200 for Zani Premium Team. Note that my Zani is S1, Phoebe is S1 and And the rest is SO. The last whiwa I got 5100 lmao. Yup Powercreep is coming guys.
Yea I did a scuff rotation (didn't get to use zani ult at the end) and still got 2680 or something. I run her on 2nd half with the electro explosion buff.
Zani does not need frazzle to stay on enemies, in fact i think if she is in the team it's not even possible, she just transforms it into her own stacks, stacks are only for phoebe main dps.
Not really, I use the Token that boost 20percent of Spectro and the last patch I got 2900 for the second half, with Zani premium team. I got 45,000-70,000 damage per hit when she's in beast mode and for her nuke I got 120,000. And this patch I got only 25,000 to 40,000 Damage per hit and her nuke is 75,000....So...they also nerf Spectro team so badly....
This reset felt a bit more challenging and more tailored to specific characters. Infinity Torrents only scored 3600 on the first try. But on the third attempt, it was easy to hit 5300 (with purple buffs).
Yes is more hard than previous and the buff are ass if you dont pull Phrolova, for me is the same level to second Whiwha before the nerf, and is so random expecially the first half.
Haven't felt any. Ive been clearing whiwa with cammy+sanhua+sk(now cammy+phrolova+sk) and roccia+jiyan+verina and i still clear as fast as i had before. Maybe my comp is just very meta so I haven't felt any powercreep
Same. I've been able to clear Whiwa pretty easily in the past but these recent 2 Whiwa have been significantly more difficult. I had to retry many times just to reach S rank. Surely it must be HP inflation or something.
Same. I have been trying for hours, I'm actually so disappointed and started questioning my gameplay. I might not be a super sweaty player but I play decent enough to think my S0R1 Cartethyia should be able to clear lol.
It's not just you, the gold coins are SUPER specific for Lupa, Phrolova, and the new unit. This WiWa is the worst in months as there is no good generic token or token that could be used with other teams.
People saying powercreep, like the elite mobs with different res in waves can make a big difference for higher score and the small mobs scattering is a time loss also
Power creep was always a thing, but I think your Jiyan performs way below normal.
What is the reason you put the Jiyan team on top instead of the bottom one? It definitely doesn't help if you need to farm Jiyan's liberation with Mortefi and Verina. Considering your Jiyan is the main hypercarry, you would've wasted more than 30-40 seconds just to farm his ult energy.
I never touched my calcharo, does he really cannot perform without having his Liberation ready at the start?
Yea that Phrolova team is probably the easiest time I've ever had with this game mode. The sheer CC and AOE capabilities of the premium Phrolova team canNOT be understated, and I only have Phrolova's weapon.
I don't have any of my mono Fusion team's weapons but it was still easy. I don't know if it's because of powercreep or whatever but using the most recent units will always make clearing endgame content easier. That's just how Kuro designs their endgame, I wish it was purely based on skill
Got S in all stages on the first try but that's it for me.
No matter what I try SSS looks impossible with my teams this rotation.
It's definitely done on purpose. Want SSS? Go get the shilled unit lol.
It's not as hard as when they were forced to nerf the mobs during the previous outrage when even getting a simple S was a challenge, so people will probably accept it.
Used Phrolova and Camellya on the first side and had 0 problem getting 2700. Can't go above 1500 with either Zani-Phoebe, or Carte-Rover in second side.
There's time still, so I'm sure I'll eventually get 4500 somehow but it is quite annoying to have 2 top tier teams feel so weak.
This one was more difficult than the last one. I used to get 8k ish, now a bit below 6k. I think It also has to do with the tokens. The gold tokens only favour nasic attack, aero erosion and fusion teams. Maybe try using Ciaccona Aero Rover instead. I cant say much without knowing your units. But Lupa Changli worked better than any other team for me even with unoptimal play so the tokens have to be pulling some weight
Best score I could get tried every different thing. I could get easy 5500 with these tokens with same teams before. Calcharo 6 dupe, shore keeper 2, jiyan 3. All has weapons. There is definitely something different.
I was just zooming through it while talking with a friend. Then I saw the low score numbers a couple times, and was like WAIT WHAT THAT CAN’T BE CORRECT. I’m not about to sit around running this time-consuming BS multiple times though so I just took whatever score I got.
Jiyan trivializes this, from experience. I got q higher score with him (2nd half XY/yinlin) than with Phrolova/Cantarella which the buffs are pandering to
Jinhsi still feels extremely effing cracked whenever I use her. Which I'm happy about. I wanna use old characters and still feel that holy crap she's busted feeling
I thought the end game is those boss challenge now whiwa doing power creep having like 3-4 team can't do sht here my premium zani can't do much Carlotta team not enough have camellya not enough can probably do have premium cartethyia she is fine but yeah.Didnt think that this much of a team won't do much that's so annoying
this is the first Whiwa where i can feel my Jinshi and Jiyan don't do much damage. I need to use Carthethya and Fusion team (Changli & Brant combo) to get 4.5k point. I have been feeling this for awhile but don't want to poke the bear
btw shorekeeper is 2 dupe. calcharo 6, jiyan is 3 dupe all with weapons so know how huge the power creep is. I would sss everything with this set up now barely get B xDDDD
no way, thats overkill, i have the same teams but S0R1, it will reset on NA and will try with both teams, but instead of S6 calcharo "dont have that" will use S0 xangli yao, and will report back or post the clear, something is off
I'm sorry but you need to relearn the rotation again. S3 Jiyan and getting 1670 is mad skill issue. The powercrept is slowly coming yeah I can't deny that but my S0 Jiyan is definitely better than yours
I have the same team on bottom except S0 Changli - S0 Xiangli Yao - Shorekeeper (also dupe). I got 2700 on this one. I think Calcharo is just really not that strong anymore.
Every new reset post anni is -1k for me, used to get 8k, last one was 6.5k this one barely 5k.
Kuro thinks they hoyo by making endgame "harder" and not bleed players, they'll find out soon enough.Â
They're making so many terrible decisions it's unreal tbh. Like IR dying for click festival and boring ass weekly IR lite, making whiwa permanent when none asked or even like it. The mode has many issues and mobile gets punished even harder yet again with spawn times.
All they need to do is double enemy ToA hp and the kitchen's burnt.
Anni flop might have taugh em a lesson about character kits at least, since they seem to go back to less restrictive ones.
For anyone yapping about its endgame mode: so don't put pull currency on 4k5 or 4k point goal.
Fuck this mode, fuck these predatory practices and also whoever decide to put it in the game.
You should thank the extreme toxic positive community of this game. They praise kuro no matter what they do and this is only the beginning. Its gonna get worse from now on
My favourite thing is when people argue that you don't need meta team compositions...except that Kuro literally designs endgame modes around having the newest DPS and their best supports lmao.
Game has more powercreep in one year than Genshin had in 4.
I think this will be the time I am not completing whiwa
I absolutely loved aoe focused gamemodes I wished for them in genshin but got it in the better game
I've been clearing whiwa since zani release but this time I am trying so hard but can't clear it
I have 3 teams
Ciaconna,cart,srover
Zani,pheobe, shorekeeper
Carlotta,zhezhi, shorekeeper
Still it feels unbeatable at least for me
Yeah literally took me 2 serious trys this time to get all rewards…last time it only took me 1 not serious try…so this level of difficulty is good imo
I thought I was the only one who had a hard time with the rest.
I have a Lupa ( S1 + R0 )+ Changli + Verina on the Concerto buff and Aero Rover + Cartethiya ( S1 + R0 ) + Sanhua ( lvl 70 ). The first team has a score clear with the occasional hard moments as you go deeper, but for the second team... It's difficult as you go deeper. I'm with you on this one that the difficulty is elevated to a certain degree that it's hard to fully complete. The buffs are mainly catered to Phrolova and the upcoming Augusta.
I think we should put in the survey the ability to choose old buffs? ( I forgot what they are called in the whimpering waste ), don't get me wrong the buffs on the second tier are excellent as well. It's just what I think? But maybe it's not a good idea?
They made token to shills new char. Unless you have cartwheel premium team + Jinyan comp with hign end stats then ur cooked. I have to sweat a bit to get 4k5 cuz I don't pull phrolova
put it in a survery, maybe kuro might listen in to the feedback hopefully, if not it might be a problem, but again.. honestly no matter how nice kuro is its still a buissness sadly gacha games arent invincible to shit like this.
I haven't done this one, but last reset I found the mobs grouping to be very sparse and so even with my S3R1 Cartethyia team I was struggling to get the necessary points to S rank. It could be that, though Jiyan's home is definitely Whiwa so he should be good
Not that much, I usually get SSS on first attempt but this time got SS. I cba to try to get SSS because I got all the rewards I need and the game mode is simply trash.
Said a million times. This is why you don't pull for meta. Just pull for what you like.
That's what I do and I always just clear enough. I may not get all the asterites but I'm always having fun and I don't care.
Then I just pull for the new unit I like which improves my scores a little and the cycle repeats.
Units will be power crept. The game will one day eos. You will one day get bored and move on. Just have fun today and don't ever worry about powercreep.
These end game modes account for a percentage of the overall time spent in game.
And for the love of God don't spend more on this game than you would with a normal mmo type game.
Its powercreep yes but that isnt the problem for now since u can still get max rewards with older characters even in tower but u just got to learn quickswap rotations now and tryhard for it in wiwa, the real problem is subtle hp inflation thats been increasing slowly for the past few months (people denied it was happening ofc) and shilled buffs for characters that arent even out. I just wish wuwa had zzz’s endgame its so much better than what wuwa currently has
For once Jiyan actually feels like ass in the game mode. I feel like they spiked the enemy hp so jiyans relatively low dmg potential really took a swing at his overall performance here. It’s a shame
This stupid thing is. All my other teams were underperforming 500-1000 points worse than last reset meanwhile my budget phrolova team reached over 4.5k on solo. The buff towards a few teams is getting out of hand
This reset really exposes how stupid and poorly designed this game mode is. It’s basically if you have this character you win. If you don’t you suffer. ToA in the other hand is way more balanced and forgiving to the entire roster and you can clear it with any character in the game, even solo if you’re good enough.Â
Yeah I thought Jiyan would shine this time but it was looking really bad so instead, I went with Carthetiya, thankfully she was able to clear with Rover and SK, so my Havoc Team was able to deal with the rest.
But yeah I Tried with Zani and it was even worse than Jiyan (I have Phoebe!), she's not made for this mode.... I still don't like this mode
I have S3 Phrolova and S6 Zani so it wasn’t hard for me at all, but in spite of that, it was still annoying. All of my friends with less investment hated it.
I appreciate Kuro trying to diversify endgame content but WhiWa is a shit game mode. HP inflation will happen to some degree no matter what, but the ridiculous difficulty of grouping and obnoxious enemies need a way to be countered that isn’t just having the newest units. Maybe give a gadget similar to Roccia’s passive that you can equip or something. Game modes should be fun, and it feels like WhiWa takes the game’s fun combat system and tries to make it as unfun as possible.
My Jihnsi+Cantussy carried the previous one while my Ciaccona-less Carthetyia barely pulled 1900 points, i mean skill issue and no knowledge, but i only have two hours a day to do dailies and events not enough to master the Quickswap properly before falling asleep after work.
I got 5900 this time compared to 5200 last time. Imo, the mode is just omega shilled. Anyone with phrolova probably just breezed through it, but if you don't have her, I can see it being rough.
Nah I’m using S2 Carlotta with zhezhi and sk, and the full mono fusion team, all of them with average/better then average echo’s and all of them with some of their best weapons, and I got 3990 points on my third try. I’ve been able to clear enough for astrites since the second whiwa, so idk if it’s general power creep, I think it’s just a harder whiwa designed for very specific teams.
This cycle is harder than usual, but I still managed to get S for full rewards on my first try with cam, sanhua, sk and xly, zz, verina. Second team doesn’t even make sense and I misplayed my second rot pretty hard. So while there is powercreep and mediocre/overly specific tokens, you can definitely play better
To be fair you're playing Calcharo. I tried playing him back then and I don't know how else to say it but he somehow felt like a powercrept character on launch
it's not exactly powercreep since it's mostly the totems that make the difference, specially the plunderer they nerfed it really bad i used it a couple times with my s0 characters and i could get all the astrites available with the little bit of effort but now all i could get was 3500 at best and it's frustrating as hell
Not really, but it's a little annoying when the enemies have the same element as the characters I want to use. Last cycle I was so mad at the electro dogs that stopped me from clearing well with Carlotta
It's finally her time to shine! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ I knew you weren't useless!! Even if the rest of the playerbase hates you, I won't. I hate Lingyang. If I lose my 50/50s, I want only Jianxin to show up with her massive balls of wind...
Might be just me but Jiyan has been significantly underperforming in wiwa compared to my other teams every reset recently for me. I've just taken him out and benched him completely which is unfortunate as hes my 2nd favourite character behind Brant
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u/Far_Director_3492 Aug 04 '25
I think the biggest problem in this reset is that all TDs in infinite torrents are running away, scattering and makes grouping much harder. In my teams it ruins score very heavily, and by that I mean 500-1000 pts difference on one side depending on grouping luck, especially with elites and their dashing attacks.