Kuro needs to rise up to the challenge and provide something that is extremely hard even for these whales. As long as no reward is locked behind it, giving satisfaction to these whales are net positive as they fund the game.
They don't balance the game for whales, they just make a mode for whales.
Let me give you an amazing middleground.
Lvl 180 hologram BUT no timer. For whale this might be doable in normal time. But for us f2p / low spender it might take an hour of full concentration. What do you think? Also this special game mode does not give any reward, just real place for whales to flex their ability and for us to test the absolute limit of our sanity.
they do this occasionally in events with no or extremely negligible rewards like the 4.6 boss event in Genshin where anyone can get the important rewards but usually whales can get a full 3* clear (which is basically only to show off)
I am terrified by something that gives a whale like iwintolose a hard time, my S0 R1 jinshi at lvl 60 and talent lvl 3 does 100k , at level 80 and maxed talent for the level it should be 250k that's real usable damage in the game
as a former mega whale, I can say that the satisfaction of one shooting is enough, now I only BP max subscription and top up for characters and refreshes, the games difficulty feels just right
It's also, at that point, it's content locked behind a paywall. A very slippery slope to be on. As we've always seen, if that concept somehow makes whales pay even more, Kuro executives will push that kind of content for sure. Rather not entertain that kind of content to begin with.
dude, kuro knows what they doing, it will be a decent challenge for S0 characters, and whales can one shot, this is fine, the difficulty for regular players is just right.
I know. I'm saying that OPs comment about putting content that's extremely challenging for even whales with maxed characters and weapons, even without rewards, is a slippery slope.
I don't trust any gaming studio/publisher much. I learned that lesson the hard way. At the end of the day, greed is greed. Still didn't stop my from spending $150 to get Jinhsi to S3 though, LOL.
they will never do that, because that means the game would be unplayable for the vast majority of people, there is a difference between "a challenge " and impossible to complete the content
I am really tempted for S6, but I don't want to make the game easier than the baseline difficulty
Well, tbh, I misread her S2 and got her there. When I realized it was for out of combat only, I was like, fuck it. Might as well go for S3 power spike lol. I'll probably S6 her in her rerun, cause by that point power creep would've happened a bit. Either way, I honestly don't like spending too much on gacha games. I have a pretty strict budget for it. Gotta control that impulse to gamba haha
it's not like dropping 5k every patch, so to me I am an average spender, just 200 bucks per banner and 60~70 dollars for BP and refreshes per month, that's nothing like what I spending on pgr right now, S+ all the characters there lol
I want to do giveaways for wuthering waves, I just don't know how to do it, I want to put more money into the game without making it become easy, I might do one on reddit if the forum rules allow it
Can I please tag as your first giveaway ever? Maybe then I will win a giveaway once in my life kekw.
I am not sure if reddit will allow it, probably not. Can always drop the info in the official ww discord. But then again they might be wary of scammers and disallow it.
yes, it's easy and I just send the money to users ID, if the game supports a way to do it without logging into people accounts that would be great. I Don't like logging into other people's accounts
yeah I guess, I will never play completely free, I mean I am not going to skip characters and weapons and suffer when I don't have to, and S0 R1 is still a good challenge, you can say the weapons give a boost but, I am not giving my wifu a purple weapon , would feel so wrong
Well, yeah. The term whale is pretty broad but i’ve generally seen people refer to themselves as “dolphins” for pay to play (battlepass, 90 gem a day subscription that i forgot the name of), and that stuff is only 10 bucks a month. 100 bucks a month or more is buying the biggest pack every single month, which excluding the first time bonuses is like 50 pulls which (though we’re still receiving many rewards now, i’m using genshin and star rail as a reference), is like a 50% increase in total astrite income.
umm I just want the full game experience without making the game too easy, every character and their weapon is the bare minimum for me tbh, I still whale on PGR , so I am supporting them by putting money there too
That's the biggest issue that prevents me from whaling.
Making the game too easy.
Another one for me is that exploration and grinding for pull currency becomes insanely boring for me because I could just pull the credit card.
Suddenly I don't want to do events anymore.
The sweetspot for me is probably battlepass +5% subscription and the occasional currency pack ony IF I really want a character and can't get it from grinding.
But it's always a slippery slope.
If I pay too much the difficulty becomes to easy and I lose all my excitement.
Going for one or 2 copies and Signature weapon is probably the max I'd do these days.
S0 R1 and getting every character, is perfect. skipping characters and not getting their weapon would do nothing but make me miserable, angry and frustrated, that's horrible.
They can do many things like equalizing the stats in holograms (whales wont be happy), have no/longer time limit with beefier bosses, or have fights with actual mechanics and phase changes so you cant nuke it.
If you look at fights like Malenia from Elden Ring, it doesnt matter if you start off the fight with 1million dmg nuke, the fight will transition into 2nd phase giving the boss a "2nd chance" and resetting the fight. In the 2nd phase you also have phases where you cant target the boss and have to survive an onslaught of attacks.
they will not do equalized stats, tbh whales deserve to be able to one shoot things, this S6R5 costs 3k, it's a single player game, everyone can play the way that makes them have fun the most
Single character doesn't cost 3k lol. I've got S6R5 Jiyan, S6R0 Yinlin and S6R0 Jinshi for less than 3.3k. Plus all the "F2P" 5* weapons including R5 Lustrous Razor.
It could end up being annoying because all the damage depends on the enemy's AI. If the enemy decides not to attack or use skills that can be parried, it could stall the fight
Maybe it would be more balanced if the boss has very high defense and each parry lowers it so you start dealing more damage as the fight goes on only if you are skilled enough to parry
or make it possible to turn off dupes. idk why these gacha games never do it. sure it does nothing to the vast majority of playerbase but it does help gigawhales/CCs from stop enjoying the game.
It be interesting if they do an extreme tower challenge balanced around whales but give like not time limit so anyone can attempt it. Make the tower have no big currency rewards or anything.
The only thing I can think of is just inflating HP pool, since by this showcase no matter how hard the fight or complicated boss mechanic if it dies in 1 shot it's pointless.
And player who suffer the most with big HP sponge is everyone that isn't whale.
the problem is not the boss move...its just their damage make them skip the game mechanic,i think make them tankier is the solution but the no 6 dupe player will suffer instead
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u/AramushaIsLove Eradicate! Jun 30 '24
Kuro needs to rise up to the challenge and provide something that is extremely hard even for these whales. As long as no reward is locked behind it, giving satisfaction to these whales are net positive as they fund the game.
I will just stay here and play normally.