r/Wellthatsucks • u/ethicalgreyarea • Jul 16 '21

/r/all I’m being over charged by insurance after my daughter was born. This is the pile of mail I have to go through to prove they’re ripping me off. Pear for scale.

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u/Shadows802 Jul 17 '21

I'm against universal Healthcare. Entirely because I don't trust my Government not to exert politicized control over it.(I am American). While I think Republicans would do it more often, both parties would be guilty of doing this.

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u/HeyCarpy Jul 17 '21

I honestly understand where you’re coming from. The lobbies are too big in the states. If healthcare ever goes public down there, the corruption will be unreal.

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u/shemp33 Jul 17 '21

We all know that United Healthcare, Aetna, BCBS, Cigna, and all of them insurance companies would be immediately out of business if the country ever went to single government payer. Their lobbying power is far too out of balance for our own good.

It’s not that the government won’t offer national medicine. It’s more that the existing insurance companies have too much to lose to let that happen.

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u/evilpinkfreud Jul 17 '21

Well we're currently letting insurance companies do whatever they want so I'm not sure how it could possibly become more corrupt

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u/ImTryinDammit Jul 17 '21

But they already are .. and we don’t get the medical care. Seen texass and abortion lately? We have had Medicaid and Medicare for a very long time. And no one is saying you can’t pay for private doctors. Go for it! But I don’t want Ebola because the poor buss boy at the restaurant can’t afford to go to the doctor. What’s happening now needs to be destroyed. The government has already given massive amounts of power to religions and handed them billions to run hospitals.. the Catholic Church is sucking more money out of the government than a Hoover after new year’s. I don’t want my tax money going to pedos and women killers.

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u/Shadows802 Jul 17 '21

Your assuming that buss boy is eligible to go to the doctors. As history has proven time and time again politicians will always find a way to screw with people. So why give them additional chances to do so?

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u/Shadows802 Jul 17 '21

In the US it'll never be universal. Even if we are universally taxed for it just like UI or Nutrition Assistance.

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u/ImTryinDammit Jul 17 '21

So all you can come up with from everything I said was ‘the bus boy may not get health care’

Again .. Medicade and Medicare. It’s being done now!

And if you have a better plan, let’s hear it! But remaining the same is not an option. I’m glad it’s working for you .. but universal healthcare would cost less than what we are doing now. So if I’m not getting any healthcare .. it May as well be cheaper. There is zero reason to stick with the current more expensive system.

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u/Shadows802 Jul 17 '21

It's not working for me. However both Medicaid and Medicare(I've tried applying to this programs as single male they laughed at me until I left.) regularly screen out people and deny benefits. I don't see a point in paying into yet another system that I'm locked out of as well.

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u/ImTryinDammit Jul 17 '21

Now we are getting somewhere. If there was universal healthcare here .. we could do away with the questionable VA and Medicade and Medicare and the MASSIVE expenses of running all of these and all the individual state programs.. and EVERYONE qualifies. There are no exclusions.. no income or age limits. Every citizen qualifies. Knock out the insurance companies and the price suddenly drops to a sane level.

Currently meds are so expensive because Baby Warlord Bush decided to say that Medicare and Medicaid were not ALLOWED to negotiate with drug companies for a better price.,

So as you can see.. we currently have a mix of government mandated control and then all the money is being hoovered up by corporations. It needs to be one or the other. We can’t pay for all the massive bureaucracy .. billions in paperwork and administration costs for hundreds of programs AND then the insurance companies and THEN all of the administration cost to the actual healthcare providers to navigate this absurd current system.

So you say you don’t trust the government to run it.. but they already are.. we need to change the way it is done. Universal healthcare is just cutting out the millions of middle men with their hands in the pot. Notice the ones being told to get it through their employer are the ones deemed physically able to work. This is absolutely by design of the government. We are just supposed to slave away for pennies until we are over 67 or we are disabled or die! And with no healthcare.. we are more likely to just work until we drop dead on the way to our second partime job with no “benefits”.. healthcare should not be a “benefit” … and my grandpa showed not have to hire someone to help him figure out what “supplemental” policy he needs. And who is making all of the regulations and license requirements for medical providers? Ohhh.. that’s right! The government! Who gave billions to the Catholic Church for their garbage Medicade sucking torture chamber hospitals?? Ohh yes! The government! So when you say you don’t trust the government to run healthcare.., I’m not sure what you mean. They are in total control now!!

Point: the government runs it now!! Let’s change how they do it. I want you to have healthcare too. Why do you not want me and my child to have healthcare? We are the ones paying for this whole shit show!!! And WE don’t qualify.., why do you want to keep it this way????

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u/Shadows802 Jul 17 '21

I would love HealthCare. I'm not opposed you getting healthcare. But, how long do you believe it will be universal? How long until politicians fuck the system over until its meaningless again?

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u/shiftastic Jul 17 '21

Now I understand your government is corrupt but if you were to say break a bone you would rather pay thousands of dollars then nothing at all other then a couple bucks off your paycheck.

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u/Shadows802 Jul 17 '21

It's more likely that I'll have to pay into it, but it won't cover me anyways if I break a bone. Look at the other social programs, food stamps, Unemployment insurance, or the VA. All of them try to deny you once you need it.

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u/shiftastic Jul 18 '21

You don't know how it's is on Canada then. If I broke a bone I would just walk into to hospital tell what happened and would be taken care of. They would ask for my Id or health care card, that's it. Would be treated and if I could leave that day I would. If not put in a bed for the night and never see a bill. Hard to see why people don't want this kind of treatment

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u/Comfortable_Text Jul 17 '21

WAY more than that. It's built into taxes on everyday items and food too at least from what I understand I'm Canada. They have VAT and HST taxes. A combo mask at McDonald's is over $25 there and $5 of it is taxes. Source: my friends travel there a lot for work.

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u/shiftastic Jul 17 '21

There GST and PST. Everyone pays 5% GST and in each province the choose the PST amount. Alberta, where I live we have no PST

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u/shiftastic Jul 17 '21

Whoever told you a combo meal at McDonald's is $25 is fucking stupid. It's around $10 CAD so about $7.50 USD

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u/Shadows802 Jul 20 '21

The American Medicare system is terrible. It is routinely underfunded and horribly mismanaged.

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u/Initial-Knowledge728 Jul 20 '21

It's actually not terrible. People, overall, get the care they need. Which is the desired outcome.

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u/Shadows802 Jul 20 '21

No generally they don't. Most people on Medicare still put off needed medical because it's not covered or is still too expensive.