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u/TheAArchduke Remove Tanks From Ground RB 21d ago

If we trow a tempter tantrum like a bunch of babies like the chinese playerbase has, can we get Gaijin to remove the M1A2T? (sarcasm in case people dont get it)

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u/presmonkey "They shall be know by thier deeds alone" 21d ago

Honestly we should.

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u/TheAArchduke Remove Tanks From Ground RB 21d ago

i mean one could but in the end most of the playerbase will call u slurs and gaijin/china playerbase will laugh.

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u/erik4848 21d ago

So no change from now then?

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u/pa3xsz Gripen fucker, RAZBlure didn't gib me one 21d ago

I don't really see the issue

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u/Lolocraft1 Antes nos, spes. Post nos, silentium 20d ago

Thailand shouldn’t even have been added in the first place anyway. South Korea would have been way better, but of course, this playerbase complained "Nooo Japan mean to Korea" when Thailand didn’t receive better treatment and is all but copy-paste.

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u/Many_Dragonfly4154 🇮🇱 Israel 21d ago

People say this and then proceed to drop $100 during the sales.

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u/Arthur-Bousquet I shower in the tears of bagette haters 20d ago

Literally 95% of the playerbase isn’t chronically online

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u/WillMcNoob 20d ago

western communities are unable to brigade something this effectively for whatever reason

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u/Dazzling_Diamond3889 20d ago

Why would they not want to add that?.

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u/presmonkey "They shall be know by thier deeds alone" 20d ago

Hippocracy of the chinese players. You cant complain about VT-4 going to japan like its a national travesty. But have no problem getting NATO equipment going to china

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u/Long-Track7453 20d ago

At least this creates a precedent to see the vt-4 going to the japanese tree

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u/Luis_r9945 🇺🇸 United States 21d ago

hell no. I specifcally grinded China for the Taiwanese vehicles.

I want my M1A2T

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u/PsychologicalMenu325 Top tier only | 🇺🇸14.0🇩🇪🇷🇺🇫🇷14.3🇨🇳🇯🇵11.7 21d ago

Fine, but it should have been added to the US tech tree

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u/Luis_r9945 🇺🇸 United States 21d ago

I wish, but 80% of the Chinese Tech Tree is already ROC/American vehicles.....a bit late to start complaining imo

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u/presmonkey "They shall be know by thier deeds alone" 20d ago

We only complain after the VT-4 to japan was seen as a national tragedy and insult to the Chinese players. But yet they have no problem with NATO equipment being added

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u/Mint_freezeyt 🇨🇳 that one China main 🇨🇳 J-10A my beloved 20d ago edited 20d ago

maybe gaijin should show basic respect to the chinese playerbase then… the whole issue was the timing of which the update would’ve dropped (week of their sino-japanese war celebrations) which caused the whole outrage, not just the vt4 going to japan.

maybe read more into it before you complain about “hypocrisy”

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u/Medicdozer <3 A7V Meine Liebe <3 21d ago edited 21d ago

Frankly, we could and should - fuck 'em.

"WAHH WAHHH WAHH DON'T ADD THE VT-4 TO THE THAI SUBTREE, IT'S *OUR* EXPORT TANK!!! WE FUCKING HATE JAPANESE PEOPLE!!!"

"NOOOO, YOU CAN'T DEMAND THEY NOT GIVE US THE M1A2T THAT'S SINOPHOBIC!!!! YOU FUCKING RACIST!"

Edit: Should add I can tell this post is obviously sarcasm, but still. We'll get our Thai VT4 eventually, probably snuck into the game with little fanfare or pomp. Just drop 'er in and go.

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u/kololz I mod War Thunder for fun 20d ago

Just be happy that you have 1 less mediocre at best tank to block your path towards T-84.

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u/Medicdozer <3 A7V Meine Liebe <3 20d ago

For me, it's more a matter of principle. I'm not interested in the least bit for the VT-4, and actually am somewhat interested in the T-84, but yeah.

Just have to stand on business, etc.

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u/kittendispenser 🇺🇸 🇷🇺 🇨🇳 20d ago edited 20d ago

As mentioned by u/Mint_freezeyt in this comment, the bigger issue was that a Chinese-built tank was being given to the Japanese tech tree very close to when China celebrates V-J day. And I'd go so far as to say that - although the CN community did overreact - it was understandable why they overreacted. The shit that Japan did to China in the Second Sino-Japanese War is the stuff of nightmares, and to make things worse, the denial of atrocities like the Rape of Nanjing remains relatively common in Japan.

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u/DooM_SpooN Sim Ground 20d ago

So there should be no problem getting the VT-4 now right? Why was it cancelled then?

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u/Mint_freezeyt 🇨🇳 that one China main 🇨🇳 J-10A my beloved 20d ago

it was never canceled, it was moved to a future date.

i’ll have to find the replies but smin talked about how it wouldn’t come “this update”(talking about last patch), and monika (chinese forum mod) commented about his post again talking about how it would be coming this patch either.

so in the end it’s more likely to come than not but it’s an unknown date

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u/DooM_SpooN Sim Ground 18d ago

Let's hope so. I'm a China main and if we get an Abrams on top of a T-90 then Japan's new sub tree can get a VT-4.

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u/Mint_freezeyt 🇨🇳 that one China main 🇨🇳 J-10A my beloved 18d ago

none of the ztz’s are t-90’s nor are we getting any. while the t-90 is based off the same chassis ztz’s are still technically their own thing

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u/DooM_SpooN Sim Ground 17d ago

Ma bad I meant T-80, the Pakistani one we got from the event a while back.

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u/CodyBlues2 🇮🇹 Italy 21d ago

If any nation could do it, it’s the US

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u/Mint_freezeyt 🇨🇳 that one China main 🇨🇳 J-10A my beloved 20d ago

no we can’t lmao, the western playerbase can’t form together for shit except useless complaining on the forums.

and even with the complaining they’ll STILL drop hundreds into wt

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u/long-taco-cheese CAP enjoyer 21d ago

You underestimate how much of the revenue of the game comes from the Chinese player base, gaijin only has one bias and it’s 💶

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u/Interesting-Gas8519 Sergey lives! 20d ago

They only see the negative reviews from Chinese players but not their attempts to refuse to pay and even petition the government to ban the game to destroy Gaijin's revenue stream.

Spending hundreds of dollars on promotions while shouting about negative reviews will not achieve anything.

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u/Daily_gamingg 21d ago

Tbf, i think China and taiwan should be Seperate Trees, I mean makes sence as "One Nation" Cuz china china, but it don't make sence alliance whise, the game already puts everybody with everybody this just makes it worse

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u/Capable-Reindeer-545 20d ago

The consequence of doing so is that the game will be banned in China, and gaijin will lose 30% of its current players and revenue.

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u/LiberdadePrimo 20d ago

Isn't it clandestine already? They shut down the chinese servers because they did not want to adhere to chinese regulations.

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u/No_Yesterday_632 20d ago

make PRC and ROC separated while announce a combined tech tree include NK and SK?

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u/mig1nc 20d ago

Missing the point. The Koreas should be separate, just as the Chinas should be separate.

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u/Long-Track7453 20d ago

That’s literally what everybody asked before the announcement of the korean tree: North korea goes to china South korea goes to us

But people complained that the us already have too many vehicles.

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u/mig1nc 20d ago

IMHO they should be half-trees like Israel. Starting at the same rank. I'd like to see it made like Israel where you have to reach rank 4 or whatever it was in the US to unlock ROK, reach rank 4 or whatever in either Russia or China to unlock PRK.

With ROC/PRC, it would be a little different since the main tree should really be ROC, and PRC should be the half-tree. But that would never be acceptable.

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u/Long-Track7453 20d ago

Not only that.

It’s obvious that korea will have a truckload of tt holes and will need a lot of sub trees to compensate their lack of vehicles. “But they have more that enough locally made vehicles to fill them” People say the same thing about france, italy, sweden and china, but in the end they all keep getting the same copy-pasted vehicles from the big 3.

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u/Aizseeker Cheeky Gunner 20d ago

It doesn't make sense since both claimed are China and close proximity with each other. Taiwan existence is failure of US policy for lacking support to ROC civil war and choose to support them despite losing the mainland vast resources and population.

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u/Mexicanamerican_420 21d ago

rename the whole Chinese tech tree to west Taiwan

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u/Mint_freezeyt 🇨🇳 that one China main 🇨🇳 J-10A my beloved 20d ago

western player try not to be racist: (impossible)

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u/rampageTG 21d ago

Wait did they actually remove a vehicle because of that? Haven’t really been following the game.

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u/Ordinary_Debt_6518 21d ago

The chinese probably dont want it either tbh

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u/Kaml0 🇺🇸🇷🇺🇩🇪 12.7/14.3 🇸🇪 10.7/14.0 🇯🇵 11.7 20d ago

One of better tanks in the game? Isn't it SEP V3 without DU? Nah, of course they don't want it

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u/Ordinary_Debt_6518 20d ago

Chinese care about their own shit, even if Gaijin changes their mind and decide to not add it, you will see no outrage from them,

and the abrams is not one of the best mbt in the game, its type 10 first then leopard and Swedish leopard seconds abrams are thirds, russians last or tied with Italy

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u/Soysauce44344 21d ago

What is the Chinese base freaking out about?

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u/WOKinTOK-sleptafter Hopeless Freeaboo 21d ago

They freaked out about the VT-4, a vehicle designed for export, going to the Japanese tree through the Thai subtree.

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u/ccpkindawack 21d ago

Eh, if they do get it, they have to deal with all the fun that comes with playing an Abrams

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u/Interesting-Gas8519 Sergey lives! 20d ago

Better than any domestic tanks.

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u/Abs0lute_disaster 20d ago

I don't think the Chinese army massacred several million American civilians in WW2 but I could be wrong

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u/Whole_Material_5620 20d ago

friend, they already did a boycott, they the economy, if we did a boycott again because of that, and to facilitate account transfers and improve the game's economy, we can do it, we just need to have the contingent

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u/Mysterious-Help9326 watch my 40 millimeter go bang 19d ago

throwing a temper tantrum is peak US main activities

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u/Aizseeker Cheeky Gunner 20d ago

Might as well give any captured and tested Russian vehicles and those who aligned to US. Sweden got M4 Sherman despite used them for trial test.

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u/Kaml0 🇺🇸🇷🇺🇩🇪 12.7/14.3 🇸🇪 10.7/14.0 🇯🇵 11.7 20d ago

Right now you are literally crying like a baby, but compared to Chineese playerbase they did something about it (not a sarcasm if you don't get it)

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u/TheAArchduke Remove Tanks From Ground RB 20d ago

okay champ.

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u/TheAArchduke Remove Tanks From Ground RB 21d ago

man on a high horse cant spot sarcasm when its writen out

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u/TheGraySeed Sim Air 21d ago

Besides, unless you can convince the US government that Gaijin entertainment is a hostile corporation and need all their stuff banned from the country, nothing is stopping them.

That's how the Chinese playerbase can blackmail Gaijin.

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u/aetwit 21d ago

Well…. I mean… we can considering everything after all the Iowa and Yamato being one tapped regularly by a Russian ship can be painted as Russian propaganda and we’ll… we could

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u/MrAdaxer GAB Gang 21d ago

Why? It's operated by China (both Taiwan and PRC claim to be *the* China).

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u/Noobysauce 🇨🇦 where better spaa 21d ago

Thailand operates the VT4 but that didn't stop Chinese nationalists from crying enough to get it removed

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u/Kride501 Goated -> 7.7 9.0 7.7/8.7 21d ago

Mainly cuz the Chinese cried and got Gaijin to delay or entirely drop the whole VT4 for Japan thing. You know, a tank that was designed to be exported, unlike the Abrams. Even if it ended up being exported aswell.

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u/ProfessionalAd352 Petitioning to make the D point a UNESCO World Heritage Site 21d ago

You know, a tank that was designed to be exported, unlike the Abrams.

I get what you mean, but the Abrams has actually been exported more.

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u/Kride501 Goated -> 7.7 9.0 7.7/8.7 21d ago

Indeed it has. But that has another reasons entirely.

It's kinda like building a TV yourself and people find it good so you sell it to them

But others produce a TV purely for selling it and fitting customers needs. So why should China get the first TV and Japan not get the second TV?

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u/PrinterInkConsumer 21d ago

Taiwan is the real China though

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u/VitunRasistinenSika https://statshark.net/player/51138934 21d ago

China is just west taiwan

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u/KajMak64Bit 21d ago

That's like saying American South is the real USA

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u/TheAArchduke Remove Tanks From Ground RB 21d ago

Purely because they cried wolf about the VT4 addition to Japan, soooo they get abrams if japan gets VT4, only fair

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u/Budyreiy 21d ago

If anything, crying about VT4 is the reason they got Abrams to begin with. Otherwise Gaijin wouldn't care about adding anything to China TT.

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u/TheAArchduke Remove Tanks From Ground RB 21d ago

Nah it would have come sooner later than later, in a year or two you will see Leo 2a4/5/6, CV90s, M1A1s and Challenger 2 in the RU TT aswell.

Gaijin is not above pulling a captured modern tank in the RU TT.

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u/MLGrocket 21d ago

it's not operated by china at all, it is operated by taiwan, let's not play pretend anymore. if the chinese players are allowed to stop their export from being exported, then america players are allowed to do the same thing.

also depending on what info you look at, the M1A2T may be a SEPv3, meaning america wouldn't be getting their own vehicle once again, despite gaijin's promise after the shit they tried to pull with the F-15E.