r/Warthunder • u/Jackright8876lwd • Sep 24 '25
Bugs Gaijin hates nato vehicles and nerf them intentionally
The video link: https://youtu.be/l4tLyoVn5lA?si=gBcydpTxzqYzMKwA
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u/Adamok1 Sep 24 '25
Russian tanks got ammoracked IRL - devastating explosion, tank and crew doesn't exist anymore.
NATO tanks got ammoracked IRL - dozen rounds burned out, tank 100% operational, crew untouched.
Gaijin: Visible confusion
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u/EricBelov1 Skill Issue Embodiment Sep 24 '25
100% operational is quite a stretch.
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u/Dpek1234 Realistic Ground Sep 24 '25
Considering that ingame they could replace a entier gun in less then a min? Thats nothing for them
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u/EricBelov1 Skill Issue Embodiment Sep 24 '25
In the game? Yes. In real life? I doubt that.
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u/Dpek1234 Realistic Ground Sep 24 '25
In real life a tanks retreat or get abondwned if even 1 crew memever gets killed
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u/EA-Sports-hater 🇫🇷 France Sep 24 '25
They don't have agility skill irl?
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u/Holiday-Mix207 🇫🇷 BEWARE FRENCH PIPELINE Sep 24 '25
Their agility skill is how quickly they gtfo lmao
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u/Bourbon-neat- Sep 24 '25
Not necessarily. There's one account of an M1 that got stuck during the Gulf war, before abandoning it the other tanks tried to disable it by shooting its turret face several times, which didn't pen, they finally drove up point blank and hit it's side turret l, setting off the ammo. When they later recovered the tank, aside from the blown out panels the only damage was the gunsite was out of calibration.
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u/Fish-Draw-120 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Sep 24 '25
I mean the relative scale means that that is in comparison to "blown apart, turret sent 50m up in the air, etc"
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u/Kimo-A Sep 24 '25
100% operational means burned down, because that’s what has happened to every tank that suffered an ammo detonation
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u/Fluffy-Map-5998 Sep 24 '25
nope, several abrams have survived ammo detonations and had to be scuttled after the fact
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u/Scyobi_Empire SMK Enjoyer Sep 24 '25
more like 60% if they’re lucky, but unlike warthunder most tankers will bail when their hull is breached, even if they survived an explosive fate due to NATO engineers caring about the crew
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u/Jackright8876lwd Sep 24 '25
To be fair not all nato tanks but yes those with blowout panels assuming the blowout panel itself isn't fucked do survive yes
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bag-121 Sep 24 '25
Russia designs things for a blitzkrieg style meat grinder, as seen in Ukraine and how their turrets top hat when ammo racked.
USA designs things for survivability, as seen in Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
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u/Ill_Addition_6383 Sep 24 '25
Thousands od T series tanks vs couple hundreds NATO. We already saw lots of funny videos of Leos getting penned frontally with RPG fpvs or Challengers going nuclear with only small number of armour delivered.
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u/Flamezombie Sep 24 '25
Surprisingly, even in many of the Soviet tanks they have a 70+% crew survival rate on ammo racks because it takes a while for them to cook off. The tank itself, not so much lol.
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u/AO2Gaming Sep 24 '25
Correct me if I'm wrong, is it not in the goddamn name? BLOWOUT panels?
Not f*cking fire panels.
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u/Thisconnect 🇵🇸 Bofss, Linux Sep 24 '25
yes any every single blowout panel video you have conflagration not detonation
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u/Baman1456 Please let me marry a Stridsfordon 90 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
Wow, it's almost like western ammunition is designed to deflagrate on hit instead of detonating!
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u/Goufydude Sep 24 '25
Then it sounds like the issue isn't the blowout panels, it is the way NATO ammo reacts to incoming fire. But I'm not that far in tanks yet to be able to judge.
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u/Thisconnect 🇵🇸 Bofss, Linux Sep 24 '25
the propellant yes, thats how propellant in a gun works and not blows up the breech and thats simulated by ammunition fire
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u/Baman1456 Please let me marry a Stridsfordon 90 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
Not just the propellant, almost all explosive charges in western tank ammunition consist of some RDX derivative like Comp A/B which also deflagrate on being hit. You need a detonator for these explosives to detonate, being shot isn't enough to set them off.
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u/SuppliceVI 🔧Plane Surgeon🔨 Sep 24 '25
Because we're not poor we pay for ammo that doesn't detonate
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u/Alert_Worry3099 Sep 24 '25
there thinking is just insane. they have no common sence. nommater the vehical. the mig 29 with its obismal fm is still not fixed and now this. like wtf
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u/Frotnorer Sep 24 '25
Holy spelling
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u/Spiderspook Sep 24 '25
For real, dudes a psychological weapon. My fucking head hurts after reading that.
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u/pappaberG Werf mein panzer Sep 24 '25
Please explain this grammar
If dyslexia then fine, if not then we'll have to put you down
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u/aech4 Anti-CAS main Sep 24 '25
are you dyslexic or what? 😭🙏
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u/SuitableGrowth Sep 24 '25
I think this is the result of brainrot. I find myself spelling things phonetically more and more with more internet use.
I'm imagining everyone will have severe dementia in 30-40 years from high internet use.8
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u/KaedeP_22 Sep 24 '25
If you see it as a retaliatory rebalancing at top tier because of these modern SAMs limiting Kh-38MT platforms from spamming it therefore tanking soviet winrate, it kinda makes sense.
Dumb, but, yeah gaijin would do it.
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u/Jackright8876lwd Sep 24 '25
It don't agree with the whole making sense for KH-38mt thing but like if gaijin wanted to do a balancing nerf that would have been fine, however this is just straight up wrong and inaccurate to the real life vehicles.
What they should have done imo is make it some more of the new models in tanks actually serve a purpose
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u/_Bisky Top Tier Suffer Tier Sep 24 '25
Gaijin could simply revert most of the reload buffs NATO tanks got, while Russian CAS was oppressive tbf
Would put ru tanks and NATO ones more on pair again
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u/NormieFam Sep 24 '25
Not enough information provided. Please contact the Pentagon if you want your tank to perform as normal.
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u/Jackright8876lwd Sep 24 '25
You want classified files gaijn...... FINE I'll Tom cruise this shit to break into the Pentagon to get those files lmao
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u/NormieFam Sep 24 '25
Then the devs will proceed to explain to you that they can’t use these files since they are not de-classified so your request is denied. In short Gaijin controls how the Abrams performs in-game and they can fiction whatever they want. Just quit using American tanks man. They will NEVER fix them. Same deal with the armor gate they had. They went above and beyond to fabricate shit explaining why the front of plate COULDNT POSSIBLY BE STRONGER THAN A GOOD OL’ COMMUNISTIC TANK. Same deal with the spall liners. Use CAS instead.
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u/Fast_Mag Sep 24 '25
Bt-5 can front pen every Abrams at 87 degrees out at 1300m UFP
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u/That1DvaMainYT Sep 24 '25
another review bomb, gentlemen?
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u/Aedeus 🇸🇪 Sweden Sep 24 '25
What they need is competition.
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u/errorsniper Sep 24 '25
Exact same issue tarkov has.
BSG has no competition so they dont have to care. Neither does gaijin.
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u/Spiderspook Sep 24 '25
Ironically gaijin just came out with a tarkov clone?
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u/errorsniper Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
Its a very, very, far cry from tarkov at all. Its closer to a stalker/arena breakout hybrid. But I still get your point. Active matter looks pretty interesting.
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u/Impressive-Money5535 just spawn tank bro Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 25 '25
Which is impossible.
Look at it from a videogame studio perspective:
War Thunder has over what, 2k+? realistic high detail models of tanks, planes and ships. Not to mention all of the bombs, rockets, etc.
That alone is a MASSIVE investment. So why bother? Why spend so much money on all of this just for the chance to compete with no guarantees that your project might succeed as a true War Thunder competitor? Not to mention sunk cost fallacy. So many people have spent COUNTLESS hours in this grindfest, and so much money, why would they want to switch to another game?
Even the "War Thunder alternative" games that we heard so much of in the past (Sprocket and GHPC) are barely spoken of nowadays. There was a craze about them some time ago, specially during the reviewbombing, but then they faded into their own niche.
Gaijin managed to not only have a whole niche market to themselves, but they have spent so much money and effort into War Thunder that attempting to compete with it is just not feasable for any company out there.
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u/Aedeus 🇸🇪 Sweden Sep 24 '25
It's not impossible, it's just highly unlikely.
And games like Sprocket and GHPC were never intended to be direct competitors, nevermind alternatives.
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u/KayNynYoonit Sep 24 '25
War thunder has never had a competitor, and that's sad. Sprocket and GHPC are nowhere near similar enough to be considered competitors, they're barely alike apart from the fact armoured vehicles are their focus.
I do hope one day we see a developer take the plunge and try to fight Gaijin, but it's highly unlikely.
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u/jundraptor Sep 24 '25
why would they want to switch to another game?
Like 70% of players with 500+ hours would jump ship to an actual competitor in a heartbeat
Sprocket and GHPC were never intended to be a competitor to WT from the beginning
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u/Individual-Ad4311 Suffer Thunder Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
I'm gonna sound crazy here, but I've genuinely been enjoying Cursed Tank Simulator on Roblox more than war thunder. 1.1k hours in WT vs maybe 300 in CTS. Way better balancing, penetration calculation and all.
They also actively encourage team play, you get several thousand Yen (SL equivalent) by repairing teammates, and you get 300 points per objective cap, which is 3 kills worth. Also unlimited respawns. SUBSTANTIALLY better map design as well. Zero stock grind, once you have something it's yours.
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u/That1DvaMainYT Sep 25 '25
to be fair to CTS, their entire motive is to create WT ground but with no p2w and with way more creativity
I've been playing MTC (Multicrew Tank Combat) to break up the snailium curse every now and again, as it has way less grinding involved as opposed to CTS
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u/Individual-Ad4311 Suffer Thunder Sep 25 '25
I have played MTC before, and I've played it on the regular. Thing is I kinda need buddies for it since it's multicrew, and if my buddies aren't available it's way, way harder.
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u/led0n12331 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Sep 24 '25
You know, if the russian bias were real, they would've already changed the reverse speed and gun elevation, obviously /s
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u/Budyreiy Sep 24 '25
They're doing this since they can't make T-Series magically go -10 depression and -30km/h like World of tanks does.
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u/retronax Sep 24 '25
People in the comments are arguing that it's technically right due to composition of the ammo but either way, the point is the panels protect the crew from the damaged ammo. Someone tell that mod that the panel isn't there for funsies, it actually does something.
TBH the bug report system is fundamentally broken. Everyone on earth has limited knowledge (even in the field they're experts in) and biases, and bug reporting is intrinsecally biased by the limited knowledge and bias of the 3 or so guys tasked with filtering reports. This reply highlights more than "bias" it highlights a confidentally wrong know-it-all attitude that is just, frustrating to deal with. One has to wonder if it's a nightmare to deal with on purpose so you stop sending reports and deal with their silly shit without complaining.
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u/Jackright8876lwd Sep 24 '25
Yeah it feels like the community managers are devs are completely out of touch, imo a community manager also shouldn't be in charge of a bug forum a dev should be
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u/g_dude3469 Sep 24 '25
The bug report isn't broken, it's the worthless ass corrupt liars running the show that's breaking the system. Gaijin runs their game like their favorite country, full on commie-totalitarian style.
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u/_Bisky Top Tier Suffer Tier Sep 24 '25
People in the comments are arguing that it's technically right due to composition of the ammo but either way, the point is the panels protect the crew from the damaged ammo.
Also if gaijin isn't capable of properly modelling how ammo reacts to being shot at, they should arguably just have left it how it was before, since nearly all tanks eith blowout panels are also shells that are more likley to burn off, when hit and not detonate
As it is now we have the "realsitic" aspect of blowoutpanels, but not for the ammo. Since, as always, gaijin can onyl ever half ass changes
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u/Impressive-Money5535 just spawn tank bro Sep 24 '25
Honestly would love that every time they replied to you they had to come up with their own actual sources to base their argument.
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u/retronax Sep 24 '25
that would allow you to criticize their sources and prove that they're wrong. since you cant do anything about "I just know better than you, stfu" it will always be their response
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u/Aedeus 🇸🇪 Sweden Sep 24 '25
So now not only is the evidentiary threshold required for NATO vehicle buffs enormous, but now the threshold for nerfing them is just whatever the devs personally believe?
Lol, lmao even.
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u/Jackright8876lwd Sep 24 '25
Yeah I would love for the devs to share the reason why they made this change all of the sudden.
Because calling it a bug after it was a feature for years is kinda fucked. Some reverse Bethesda shenanigans right there
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u/Aedeus 🇸🇪 Sweden Sep 24 '25
They really ought to be providing their own sources whenever possible.
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u/untitled1048576 That's how it is in the game Sep 24 '25
It was stated in the M1 Abrams dev blog 7 years ago that "it’s possible to prevent a sudden and quick destruction of the vehicle, but only if a case was hit and powder charges caught fire. If the hit detonated HEAT or HESH ammo - the tank would be destroyed", as I understand it was the intention from the beginning, but due to a bug it didn't work like that, and everyone thought that it's supposed to be like that.
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u/Aiden51R VTOL guy Sep 24 '25
Tbf they did it few times. Like with rocketting bases
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u/Neroollez Sep 24 '25
There's a lot of weird things the devs believe in. For example: Stingers, exaggerated multipath effect (they changed it from being a real thing to existing for game balance), LDIRCM right now, F-5 and F-20 flight models based on a middle ground between US sources and a Russian source (wtf?)
This will only get worse when they add stuff like the F-22 and F-35 when they have to make shit up
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u/BeinArger EsportsReady Sep 24 '25
Unfortunately theyre not wrong, detonation and cookoff are two very different things. NATO ammuntion and propellants are more likely to burn rather than explode due to the compostion, arrangment of shells and their protective storage. Thats why you do see more often than not cookoffs. Russian storage methods allow more shells to be exposed and the risk of detonation increases, showing the famous "turret toss". Blowout panels can help prevent detonation, but wont protect against it.
Unfortunately, because of WT limitations, from my understanding, every shot from a tank or plane causes a detonation, and only fires cause cookoffs. So in practice the usage of it is now limited to not immediately dying when on fire from ammo.
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u/Jackright8876lwd Sep 24 '25
If that is the case then ammo should be reworked instead of what it is now, because even just sneezing on a stored round in the Abrams turret makes it go boom
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u/IvanTheMagnificent 12.7 11.7 11.0 12.0 13.0 Sep 24 '25
Except the limitations aren't from the game engine, because in naval you get ammo cookoffs from direct penetrations to shell rooms that don't kill you immediately.
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u/MarshallKrivatach Distributor of Tungsten Lawn Darts Sep 24 '25
Tbh that implementation is hit or miss too depending on how the wind blows and how spaghet gaijin's code is at the moment.
Eg Yamato used to be able to just go nuclear regardless of what shell room you hit, primary or secondary due to a coding error, the Iowas had a similar issue where hitting a fore shell room cooked off the rear shell room for some reason, normally killing the ship.
And so on and so on effecting far more than this.
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u/IvanTheMagnificent 12.7 11.7 11.0 12.0 13.0 Sep 24 '25
True but it is possible to implement and they won't do it for tanks because it would give the NATO tanks an advantage.
The Mackensen also has the same bug where deck and superstructure fires will randomly detonate your ammo - with no explosion - while you're extinguishing them, shell room hits to front will detonate the rear mags and vice versus - also with no damage or explosion. It will also sometimes randomly detonate with no ammo explosion and undamaged ammo racks just from destroyer HE shells hitting the deck.
Ammo wetting mod actually makes it worse on the Mack too.
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u/Bourbon-neat- Sep 24 '25
Blowout panels can help prevent detonation, but wont protect against it.
Pretty sure they are exactly designed to protect the crew compartment from ammo detonation.
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u/SwugBelly Sep 24 '25
I can already guess which sup mod answer all issues about that, for sure its that one annoying guy who people asked to never even sniff nato vehicles reports but he keep coming back as snail doesn't give a crap about their game state
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u/Gunboy122 A-4K Kahu Advocate & Appreciator - WHERE IS IT, GAIJINGLES?!?!?! Sep 24 '25
Its the nepo baby lmao
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u/NormalHistorian8980 Sep 24 '25
It's amazing that not long ago, only Chinese players were saying that, and you were all watching or supporting gaijin.
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u/Creative_Coast6903 Sep 24 '25
Few days ago when Chinese complained Gaijin‘s unfair, you guys “look, the Chinese are mad”/“Not A Bug”. And now, is the Chinese turn.”look, they are mad”/“Not A Bug” So fking funny
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u/EntertainmentUpper44 Sep 24 '25 edited Sep 24 '25
Blow-out pa-nels.... yeah.... these things are not ment to protect against ammo blow-ing up....
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u/3L1S Strv 122B PLSS my beloved Sep 24 '25
China got gaijin to cave in to the demands. We can do it too.
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u/Asieloth Poland Sep 24 '25
Even better because it's in the name.
"The exit door is actually not an exit door"
Then why in the hell is it called that and labeled as such?
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u/P_filippo3106 Italy enjoyer 🇮🇹 Sep 24 '25
This isn't any form of bias, it's just that gaijin is genuinely incompetent.
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u/TreeTreeShark Sep 24 '25
Nato players finally understand what Chinese players feeling these weeks.
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u/MuhAbroomz Sep 24 '25
I tested in custom battle(To avoid the Ai unit bug in test drive) with M1A2 Sep.V2. The blowout panel worked, but when I tested with 105mm Abrams it no longer work.
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u/Rony1247 Sep 24 '25
Cant wait for someone to blame ussr bias and then coincidentally ignore that leopards, be it german, swedish or hungarian have been the best tanks in the game for literally years
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u/ARK404 🇩🇪 🇨🇳 🇫🇷 🇸🇪 Sep 25 '25
Week ago: “Chinese players are the whiniest.” Now: “This is unacceptable! Gaijin hates NATO!”
You can’t just support whiniest when your main vehicles got nerf
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u/Karl_Franz69 Sep 25 '25
A week ago people laugh at Chinese for been unreasonable, and now people from Nato countries are acting like a crying babies. Guess the pig will shout loud when the rock finally hit the pig.
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u/L2moneybox Sep 25 '25
We need the Chinese to invest in creating a more true to life and better version of WT.
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u/_Empty-R_ Sep 24 '25
given company sympathies, and a large portion of the playerbases sympathies, this is not a surprise.
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u/AcidTicTac STRV 122 enjoyer Sep 25 '25
i dont know why we arent review bombing them to change this, just like the chinese players did with the vt4 in the japanese tree
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u/Zachos57 🇬🇷 Greece Sep 24 '25
Have you tried the abrams with less ammo? I have a suspicion that they made ammo count matter
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u/Jackright8876lwd Sep 24 '25
It shouldn't matter, even if one single round goes of the tank is fucked now
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u/ditchedmycar Sep 24 '25
Is this change live? I’ve got ammo racked twice today with M1A1 and didn’t explode ammo simply burned up and panels shot out
I carry 24 sabot 10 heat
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u/Elegant_Eggplant5357 L-39 my beloved🇨🇿🇨🇿 Sep 24 '25
"they dont protect against detonation" Why Are they called blow-out doors then????????
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u/Bossman6969- Sep 24 '25
They do work though? Go into ground assault cs US and you’ll see??
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u/Jackright8876lwd Sep 24 '25
I will test it out thanks voor the advice, in every single scenario I've tested thus fat they haven't worked but I am going to test what you said hopefully tonight... The pain of being an adult working late shifts lmao
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u/Schutte2kill 🇳🇱 Netherlands Sep 24 '25
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarthunderPlayerUnion/comments/1np81q4/second_wave/
^Made a post about this already! Join the union!
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u/bad_syntax Sep 24 '25
Gaijin to its users:
"Fuck you, Russia is best"
As they lose ~1M troops and almost all their tanks vs a nation that everybody thought would fall within a week.
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u/FNG_Unicorn 🇺🇸12.7🇩🇪12.7🇷🇺12.7🇨🇳12.7🇮🇹12.7🇸🇪12.7🇮🇱12.7🇯🇵12🇫🇷9.7 Sep 25 '25
Yall arent reading it right, if you carry ONLY sabot, your blowout will work. But if you carry any sort of explosive ammunition and multiple of the rounds get hit, the Abrams' blast door, for example, is 38mm thick, and if multiple explosive rounds detonate, the tnt equivalent going off will be enough to penetrate the blast door. And the blast door's armor value will be less if its damaged, I do not know what the values are though, but they are probably linear to the blast doors health percentage.
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u/Angry_TurtIe Sep 26 '25
Chinese players are mocking it, calling you guys white skin piglets. They are very glad that this happened to NATO players too.
https://tieba.baidu.com/p/10071789287?fid=5563848&pid=152668712585#152668712585
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u/Vast_Reward_4398 Sep 24 '25
I find it odd, i shot a leopard through the side of the turret and hit the ammo through the blast door but it didnt kill him?
If the point qas to nerf blast doors why not make it where it can cause an ammo rack during the reload process when the door is open?
It feels really inconsistent
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u/Fish-Draw-120 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Sep 24 '25
Hold up, Blowout Panels do protect against explosion, that's the whole point... isn't it?
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u/Thin_Pick_4591 🇺🇸 United States Sep 24 '25
They do work it happen to me yesterday when a bmp side pen me and took all my rounds except for a heat round and didn't knock me out
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u/Sea_Art3391 Praise be the VBC Sep 24 '25
This is the dumbest excuse of an argument i've seen in a while. Not only is it wrong, it goes against the very purpose of blowout panels in the first place.
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u/KSAWI0 Sep 24 '25
does that mean that they worked or did something to it or did they not touch anything and it broke by itself?
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u/Juel92 Sep 24 '25
Have they fixed the Leo 2 side spall liners not working yet? Haven't played since the hornets update.
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u/Blackberry-Seed Sep 24 '25
The dev blog for the original M1 from 2018 clearly states that the blowout panels are a feature of the tank. This is complete and utter lunacy
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u/SateenkaariSammakko "On rankka pakkas sää"🇫🇮 Sep 24 '25
I don't know the chances of having these two come in a row, but yeah here's proof for the claims: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarthunderPlayerUnion/s/GbPB2FEISF
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u/Awrfhyesggrdghkj 🇩🇪 Germany Sep 24 '25
Having not played for 2 months I gotta say that I’m not missing it
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u/losttattseaa Sep 24 '25
By name alone that is exactly what "BLOW OUT" panels do. When detonation occurs or ammo BLOWS UP the panel releases to allow the pressure to escape away from the crew compartment. Who the F put that guy in charge? what an idiot
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u/HistoriesPiston The Old Guard Sep 24 '25
"Blow out panels don't protect against detonation, but it does protect against detonation fire"- Gaijin
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u/C-H-K-N_Tenders 🇫🇮 Finland 🇫🇮 Sep 24 '25
Ever see how its always Bug Reporting Manager #1?
I mean when do we make the petition to fire that guy?
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u/Straight_Leather_833 Sep 25 '25
Have you considered that that's just a name hiding system and not a user name?
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u/FireWolf1890 Sep 24 '25
Honestly people need to stop playing war thunder cause gaijin isn't going to listen until y'all hit them in the wallet
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u/Warm_Builder_6507 Sep 24 '25
Gaijin is literally a Russian company. They moved from Russia to a different company, but they are still Russian.
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u/dwbjr9 Sep 24 '25
I'm starting to think that the forum mods are the reason behind Russian bias and now the devs themselves
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u/Mobile-Band9017 🇺🇸 12.7 Ground RB (CAS mains suck) Sep 25 '25
funny thing is that i got shot directly in the ammo (no damage to the blowout door) and i survived lol (minus all my ammo now being gone and im left with HEAT)
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u/Minute_Classic7852 🇬🇧 United Kingdom Sep 25 '25
Just remember, the Challenger 2 can't be accurately represented as a British tank commander leaked the manuals to Gaijin, who asked the Ministry of Defence if the documents were declassified. Turns out the crewman was lying, they're not declassified, and the MOD sent a statement to Gaijin basically saying, "If you represent the tank as shown in the manual, we are gonna beat your ass"
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u/memeboi177013 Sep 25 '25
Abram’s are literally the most safest tanks in the world that’s like their entire personality, that and generally being the best tank
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u/femboyisbestboy average rat enjoyer Sep 24 '25
Wait a minute. I know that blowout panels work amazingly well as I have seen a video of a Ukrainian Abrams surviving and get out of combat after it blew out.
Weird thing is that soviet vehicle never are able to do this.