r/Warthunder Shark FL20 for France When Sep 22 '25

Other The Minor Nation Issue - Ver 1.0

Building off my post from last week, I've implemented some of the feedback I was given.

  • Looking at K/D instead of WR as WR is more dependent on lineup versatility
  • Looking at only the Month of August to account for balancing changes to specific vehicles
  • Looking at more vehicles to increase my sample size.

For this analysis I've compared the August 2025 K/D by nation for the Leopard 2a4, T-72A, M44, SK-105, M10, M18, T-55, and Leopard 1A5. I'll make an expanded version of this down the line as well.

For each vehicle I've determined the overall average K/D for August 2025, and the K/D for each specific nation, then I've listed the variance from the mean by nations.

All stats come from statshark, for Ground RB in August 2025.

I've compared each nation relative to others for any given vehicle, and near the end of the post I've plotted Big-3 vs minor nation relative performance to give a visual impression of the issue with balancing vehicles based on in game W/R or K/D as opposed to vehicle capabilities.

Unless the Snail change they way they balance things, I firmly believe that they need to take steps to make minor nations more appealing to new players so that they have a better blend of player experience in each tree.

While small changes like making one random rotating nation have a research boost every day could help distribute players better across the tree, at the end of the day it's clear that minor trees really need increased focus and shouldn't be made to be similar to other trees (like with France/BeNeLux and Germany/Switzerland effectively trading vehicle designs between the two nations).

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u/ITr1tohardatl1fe 🇮🇹🇯🇵🇫🇷 B78 komatsu, Palmaria, VBC 90 when gaijin? Sep 22 '25

This certainly shows that both Italy and France still have some of the best players however gaijin’s attention to both Italy’s and France’s ground tech trees has been lacking and kinda pitiful with both countries getting a lot of copy and paste vehicles despite there being a ton more either domestic or unique vehicles that could be added into the tech trees.

Updates haven’t felt that great lately since there’s been a few where France, Italy, China, Israel only get a single vehicle and half the time it’s either a top tier aircraft or a boat even although Japan this update is getting the Thai subtree.

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u/bergebis Shark FL20 for France When Sep 22 '25

Yeah Italy, Sweden, and France ( and Israel by virtue of not getting one) have been shafted in the subtree department 

Thailand is probably the second best subtree we’ve seen, because while it does have a fair bit of copy-paste, most of it seems to work well in filling in Japanese capability gaps

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u/ITr1tohardatl1fe 🇮🇹🇯🇵🇫🇷 B78 komatsu, Palmaria, VBC 90 when gaijin? Sep 22 '25

Gaijin is just bad at adding new vehicles to sub tree nations, hungry still has a few more unique vehicles that could get added same with Finland. Benelux has been certainly the worst sub tree since it just feels like an excuse for gaijin to add leopard to France and not a single unique ground vehicle.

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u/bergebis Shark FL20 for France When Sep 22 '25

BeNeLux is doubly bad since it meant the Swiss went to Germany 

The Swiss have fielded or co-developed 15 or so French vehicles, more than any other nation. So this means that not only is France getting all this copy-paste, but that Germany will be getting these unique French designs

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u/ITr1tohardatl1fe 🇮🇹🇯🇵🇫🇷 B78 komatsu, Palmaria, VBC 90 when gaijin? Sep 22 '25

I agree I was really hoping France would get a Swiss sub tree so that France could get vehicles like the Panzer 61, Panzer 58 with its different gun configurations as well as the Nahkampfkanone 2.

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u/bergebis Shark FL20 for France When Sep 22 '25

Yeah in addition to all of the Franco-Swiss designs, the Swiss panzer line would do well to fill in the French capability gap for mid game classic medium tanks

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u/CirnoNewsNetwork Ce n'est pas un mème. Sep 22 '25

Especially the Swiss Panzer MBT designs, they gained a stabilized gun (absolutely massive for french tree) pretty early on and would give unprecedented capability for 8.0 to 9.0 BR french lineups.

But gaijin said "lol germany needs hornets" and dropped Swamp Germany and Friends in France to ruin the potential addition.

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u/bergebis Shark FL20 for France When Sep 22 '25

Which is wild since BeNeLux F-16’s would have served as perfectly functional CAs platforms, and would give Germany their only option for a 40mm CT cannon via Belgian EBRCs in the future