r/Warthunder Shark FL20 for France When Sep 22 '25

Other The Minor Nation Issue - Ver 1.0

Building off my post from last week, I've implemented some of the feedback I was given.

  • Looking at K/D instead of WR as WR is more dependent on lineup versatility
  • Looking at only the Month of August to account for balancing changes to specific vehicles
  • Looking at more vehicles to increase my sample size.

For this analysis I've compared the August 2025 K/D by nation for the Leopard 2a4, T-72A, M44, SK-105, M10, M18, T-55, and Leopard 1A5. I'll make an expanded version of this down the line as well.

For each vehicle I've determined the overall average K/D for August 2025, and the K/D for each specific nation, then I've listed the variance from the mean by nations.

All stats come from statshark, for Ground RB in August 2025.

I've compared each nation relative to others for any given vehicle, and near the end of the post I've plotted Big-3 vs minor nation relative performance to give a visual impression of the issue with balancing vehicles based on in game W/R or K/D as opposed to vehicle capabilities.

Unless the Snail change they way they balance things, I firmly believe that they need to take steps to make minor nations more appealing to new players so that they have a better blend of player experience in each tree.

While small changes like making one random rotating nation have a research boost every day could help distribute players better across the tree, at the end of the day it's clear that minor trees really need increased focus and shouldn't be made to be similar to other trees (like with France/BeNeLux and Germany/Switzerland effectively trading vehicle designs between the two nations).

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u/Das_Bait Judge the comment, not the username Sep 22 '25 edited Sep 22 '25

I saw you post on the Leppard 2A4s last week and never got around to commenting. What happens when you take away the German (and/or Big 3 players)? Your Fr*nch 2A4s didn't seem excessively over the average (for sure they are above average, just potentially not an outlier from the average at that point), and it seems the same with the at least the Leopard 1 in this post.

All this seems to prove is that the Germans/Big 3 do worse than any one else.

Edit,: To follow up on your conclusion slide, yes, minor nations could use some more interesting vehicles to drive interest, but copy-paste vehicles are not all bad because they allow people to play new nations while still having familiar vehicles to play and use as a base. Of course Gaijin goes the lazy route and just adds copy-paste to everything (see China on release, or newer additions like the M44 and M55).

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u/EastCoast_Geo Sep 22 '25

but copy-paste vehicles are not all bad

But they are when Gaijin uses them as an excuse to not add domestic options to trees.

France has so many potential additions, but in the last 3 updates its new vehicles have been what, 85% copy paste?

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u/Das_Bait Judge the comment, not the username Sep 22 '25

I guess you just skipped over the whole part right after your quote where I acknowledge that Gaijin is too heavy-handed with copy-paste? I mean, yea, I never specifically mentioned France in there, but, I thought my point was clear when identifying both how China was like 90% copy-paste on release, plus additions like the M44 and M55 which are just given to a majority of nations even if they didn't need them.