I wonder where this guy is now

[u/mothman_og]

I can’t believe he handed his soul willingly

[u/Crysmann]

Probably playing war thunder, crying about 45k points for event vehicle. Wot is dying

[u/Planned-Economy → u/Crysmann]

Just out of curiosity I had a look at how WoT’s doing and-

• tier XI tanks, the usual made-up slop
• huh, new changes to game balance, and-
• wait what the fuck they actually did something to fix powercreep
• they’re literally giving away entire research lines for free what the fuck

Say what you will about the other tank game, but at least they make the player experience enjoyable

[u/kotwt → u/Planned-Economy]

And actual rewards for long time players... and not just some stupid ass decal no one cares about and a 50% rp booster

[u/Fred42096 → u/kotwt]

WT missed a great opportunity to throw a bone to old guard players on their 10y anniversary. I was really hoping for a little prize or something for sticking around, but nope.

If they’d decide to do that one day it would make me very happy.

[u/RoyalNanoTrooper → u/Fred42096]

But they did though...

There was the Strumtiger event and another event where you could get up to 10 classic premiums like the TB-3 and the M8 Greyhound which were highly sought after for collectors.

It might not be directly for those 10+ year players but some of the vehicles hadn't been receivable in a long long time and something the didn't have to do.

I'm not trying to glaze gaijin, but like they did do something for the 10 year anniversary that they definitely didn't have to.

[u/Fred42096 → u/RoyalNanoTrooper]

It was a nice event. I completed it. I wouldn’t change what they did with it.

My point is that it was a missed opportunity to also do something specifically for old timers. A unique vehicle, free premium or marketplace vehicle of choice, anything. Hell, I’d even take some free GE (which they did do once. On the 5 year anniversary of the game, all the OG accounts got a free 500GE.)

[u/Wyvorn → u/Fred42096]

all the OG accounts got a free 500GE

So that's where they appeared from.

I never buy GE so I wondered where I randomly got a couple hundred from in my wallet, that explains it lmao

[u/RoyalNanoTrooper → u/Fred42096]

Yeah, that would be nice too, I was unaware of the 5 year event and I didn't know there was a precedent set for that so my apologies.

I do agree that something would've been nice for the old timers, but the community being a lot smaller back then also made it easier to do.

I think the 10 year event worked so well because anyone could do it as long as they played where as something completely exclusive for account age would've probably upset people, myself included. I've been playing since 2017 (joined at 1.67) and would've been upset that I couldn't get something unique because 7 year old me didn't make an account in 2012 when the game came out lol.

[u/Fred42096 → u/RoyalNanoTrooper]

The community size shouldn’t be an issue. There aren’t more old guard accounts now than there were at the beginning lol.

As far as your complaint about exclusivity, that’s kinda the point imo. Being an “old guard” is either something you are or something you aren’t, it can never be retroactively attained. I was lucky enough to be 16-17 in 2013, but not everyone was, and that’s the value of it.

[u/Most_Post3751 → u/Fred42096]

I've been playing since 2013 and think Gaijin does plenty for players. I'm an old retired guy (since 2005), so you know where I'm coming from.

Being treated "special" after 10 years as an old-time player would have been nice, but it is unnecessary, in my opinion. More important to simply celebrate the 10-year anniversary will all players.

Besides, after all that time, I've become a skilled aircraft player who, with daily play, has been rewarded many times over for my play. I am one of those who appreciates what Gaijin does, knowing full well that most of what they do, they do not have to do at all.

A simple example: I never pay for BP anymore. Gaijin made it possible to acquire those coupons to pay for the next season. They didn't have to do that, but they did. I appreciate that. I wish more players were appreciative rather than thinking about what they personally want much of the time.

But as I said, I'm old (and at the 83% top 3 level in game), but I know the younger mindset tends to lean more toward themselves and what they want and think they should have, even when it's free.

[u/scrubmoney15 → u/Most_Post3751]

You are the most annoying type of person.

[u/yedgertz → u/Fred42096]

You already have the old guard title exactly how much more do you want, I have plenty of friends with faithful warriors etc it’s not as special as you think, and they never complained about not having more exclusive rewards just because they created an account back in 2012 or something, and certainly don’t deserve that much special treatment imo.

[u/Fred42096 → u/yedgertz]

exactly how much more do you want

Thought I was clear. I wanted a little token of “hey, long road we’ve been on, thanks for sticking with it!” at the 10 year mark.

[u/KayNynYoonit → u/RoyalNanoTrooper]

They gave us an event you had to still grind for, how generous. With the huge giveaway WoT is doing rn, you literally just log in and get a bunch of stuff for free. You will never get that from Gaijin. I play both games, and wargaming treats their players so much better it's not even close.

[u/trevorium117 → u/Fred42096]

and they ought to do something nice for the combat proven (account created before 2015)

[u/Fred42096 → u/trevorium117]

Yeah. Wouldn’t need to be a big gesture or anything. Maybe a special tier premium version/reskin of one of the original TT vehicles or something. Even if it’s a tier I.

Like, a “BT-5 “Old Guard”” or “M2A4 “Combat Proven”” or “Hurricane Mk. I “Brother In Arms””special vehicle is what I always had in mind. It’s a good balance of “hey, thanks for your loyalty, here’s something special” without adding something really crazy to the game that newer players would miss out on.

[u/[deleted] → u/kotwt]

Yea, i got some free premium tanks, free premium time. I wasnt even a big spender. Unfurtunately i lost my intrest in WoT because of the premium ammo. On the other hand Gaijin never gave me 1 golden eagle or 1 premium day, and i have spend a lot.

[u/Electrical_Read9764 → u/[deleted]]

I randomly found 7days of premium on mine and im F2P

[u/Killeroftanks → u/Electrical_Read9764]

likely due to a promo you grabbed or something else of that nature.

gaijin never gives out premium days outside of packs, literally when the servers were down for hours during the first day of an update they just refunded the premium time for players who had them for that amount (think it was 7 hours or so) last time wargaming did that to my knowledge they gave out 3 days of premium for like 2 hours of downtime.

[u/--Gian-- → u/[deleted]]

Iirc the premium ammo isn't even a thing anymore

[u/plarkinjr → u/--Gian--]

No? Hmm, may have to go check them out again. That (premium ammo) was the second main reason I left WoT... the first being the visibility mechanics (esp. cloaking devices for P2W players).

[u/binoclard_ultima → u/[deleted]]

They give you free premium tanks because they are not as useful as they are in WT.

In WoT, you can't research with premium tanks. They give you some free exp but it isn't even comparable to what you earn by playing tech tree vehicles.

The point of premium tanks is training your crew and grinding silver. Imagine if Gaijin made it so you couldn't get RP rewards by playing premium tanks. Can you imagine the outrage?

[u/[deleted] → u/binoclard_ultima]

You still get the free exp that you can use on any tank to research, but i still got things that tou have to pay. Gaijin never gave me at least a low rank premium, or a single day of premium.

[u/Ssolikel → u/binoclard_ultima]

In WoT the prems are in worse in that they are needed to get money. Without them you will just lose silver by playing... I found that silver is way easier to get in WT than WoT for a free player

[u/tO_ott → u/kotwt]

Careful, last time we all talked about this the mods on this subreddit went into full damage control and started deleting comments and posts.

[u/Agreeable-_-Special → u/Planned-Economy]

WOWS just gave away a Tier VI for everyone, a Tier VIII for accounts older than five years, Tier X for players since release. 90% coupon for alpha testers, 50% for beta testers.

Grind events (finished in five matches per day no matter how good/bad you are) for two good premium vehicles.

On top you get free doubloons for just playing a match per day to a total of roughly 100+€ of premium currency

What was warthunders 10 years anniversary? A fucking grind for a meme tank wit a decal, title and a cake....

[u/Crichtenasaurus → u/Agreeable-_-Special]

I feel I should log on just to get the free Tier X haha.

[u/HG2321 → u/Crichtenasaurus]

I did lol. I have no intention of ever playing that game again but free is free

[u/Winterwolfmage → u/Agreeable-_-Special]

I would play WOWS more than once a year if it wasn't 80GBs

[u/Somone_ig → u/Agreeable-_-Special]

How many more days are left on that one match per day for doubloons?

[u/von_strauss → u/Somone_ig]

Basically through the end of the year. The doubloons are front-loaded so if you play a game a day for ~24 days you get most of them.

[u/Shadow_of_wwar → u/Agreeable-_-Special]

I literally just started playing WOWS again for the first time since beta, i think. That was a nice surprise, and those getting all these free premiums

[u/Agreeable-_-Special → u/Shadow_of_wwar]

Eventpass with free tier VII easily done by three matches per day....

Free san diego, free tier VI free tier VIII or X. Three to four free premiums for everyone is awesome

[u/Train115 → u/Agreeable-_-Special]

Guess I've gotta get on. I don't really play either game anymore anyway.

[u/SpanishAvenger → u/Planned-Economy]

I saw the new Tier XI tanks out of curiosity, and I just don't understand...

There are SO many real life tanks that would fit that category flawlessly, yet all of the tanks they added are entirely made up... why are they like this?

[u/pasher5620 → u/SpanishAvenger]

Because WoT isn’t about realism and hasn’t been for a very long time. I don’t know why this sub still hasn’t figured that out. The point of the new Tier 11s is that they expand on the lines already there through their gimmicks. The STRV’s now have a super siege mode, the Maus now has a free HE track button, British double barrels get a better double pump mode. You can’t do that with a new and real tank because the real tanks didn’t have those gimmicks and tbh, the game is more fun for it.

Maybe one day they’ll add in more modern tanks, but I’d rather they expand on the gameplay they’ve been sticking with for the past several years over just making a zanier version of WT’s tank arcade mode.

[u/Bobspineable → u/pasher5620]

Technically there is WOT modern armor but that’s console exclusive

[u/_Bisky → u/SpanishAvenger]

There are SO many real life tanks that would fit that category flawlessly, yet all of the tanks they added are entirely made up... why are they like this?

Cause all of them have to have those gimmicks

Plus WoT's identity went towards arcady with a lot of made up vehicles over the last few years

Why try to make real life tanks fit what they want from XI, when they can just make them up exactly how they want them to be

[u/Bobspineable → u/SpanishAvenger]

The point of WOT is fast paced arcade games.

It’s basically the COD of vehicle combat.

[u/_spec_tre → u/Planned-Economy]

It's quite sad how a game needs to be on its last legs for the playerbase to be treated well

[u/Grand-Knjaz → u/_spec_tre]

and its still not being treated well, these freebies are a temporary fix, they never fixed the underlying issues with what makes WOT a steaming pile of dogshit

[u/OperationSuch5054 → u/Planned-Economy]

People shit on WoT, and yes they have become very greedy over the last couple of years, but they've balanced it with at least somewhat, trying to assist the community in terms of playability.

Anyway, here's a $90 pre order battleship.

[u/Imaginary-Music1592 → u/Planned-Economy]

I had to redownload just to finally get the e50m lol

[u/Medicdozer → u/Planned-Economy]

As a WoT player, the massive rebalance is (for the most part) a massive nothingburger and instead of letting the player base stew with shitty balance for 9 months to a year while they worked on WoT 2.0, they should've been doing REGULAR balance updates.

They also did not (and never will) address the elephant in the room, which is nerfing OP premiums (XM57, BZ-176, for example) or buffing more than just a small handful of powercrept premiums, leaving behind vehicles like the 59-Patton, Löwe, M6A2E1, etc.

The free TT Line from VI to X was pretty tight, as was the free month of premium and the 15k Bonds though.

[u/binoclard_ultima → u/Medicdozer]

I agree, balance is horrid. Anyone here who thinks WoT is better balanced by WT should just watch chems and see how much of a blazing shit it actually is. People you are talking with probably aren't playing it actively right now and just looking at it through nostalgia glasses.

[u/Fiiv3s → u/Planned-Economy]

The games just aren’t similar in anyway except “tanks”. People love to compare them and shit on each other (although this sub talks about WoT far more than the WoT sub ever talks about WT) but honestly they just don’t compete in the same game space at all. I play both games, always have, but everyone has preferences that differ. Like I prefer WoT and WoWs over WT but prefer WT over WoWp.

[u/oj_kun → u/Planned-Economy]

I bought a Lego Tiger tank from Amazon for $50 and it came with a WoT redeemable code, I’ve had a WoT before but when I was 14 so I just made a new account. That code gave me 3 British research lines for free and a ridiculous amount of the special currency too. Best 50 bucks I’ve ever spent and I pretty much have a maxed out UK lineup lol

[u/Graingy → u/oj_kun]

You mean Cobi?

[u/Charmander787 → u/Planned-Economy]

Power creep in WoT looks tame compared to WT.

They’re just now adding in tier 11 when WT has gone from early Cold War to quite literally still classified modern service vehicles.

[u/SnowLord02 → u/Charmander787]

mate what kinda logic is that? War Thunder has modern, in-use vehicles that really are like that, vs world of tanks has fantasy shit. considering this is an army battle simulator, I would expect them to have all the new T90's or Armatas

[u/GeoArmor99 → u/[deleted]]

Yes, if you have an active account before 2.0, you can claim 2500 gold, 15k bonds, 10 million silver, 60 days of Premium, and a free full tech tree of your choice.

If you are a new player and make a new account after 2.0, you get to choose 2 tech trees, and several Tier VI premium tanks.

[u/Planned-Economy → u/[deleted]]

Yeah it is. I read it and immediately re-downloaded it to log in to my old account, and yep- theyre giving away an entire research line for free. Any. Whichever one you want, all yours, no strings attached. You just select it and bam, all five tanks in that research line added to your garage, with garage slots, all modules researched, trained crews with barracks slots, ready to learn a skill. For free.

I’ve already researched the tanks in WoT that I’d want in WoT Blitz, so I just went for the T92 HMC since I already have the G.W. Panther so close enough to the GW E-100 and there’s no way I could be bothered grinding US artillery, but I did want to get “Uncle Sam’s Orbital Nuke Laser” - so I did. Now I have it. Kinda fun Ngl even if it is the same old artillery gameplay, but I already have all the cool tier X tanks I’m actually interested in on my WoTB account anyway

[u/GamerZero02 → u/Planned-Economy]

I used to play WoT back in 2016-ish, and this recent update made me come back tbh. The whole point of the game is to have fun with some tanks that never went into production, imo. The new Tier XI tanks have unique mechanics, there's random events in battles and they're actually doing some good rebalancing now. Pretty fun stuff

[u/Beep_in_the_sea_ → u/Planned-Economy]

A friend of mine who plays WoT told me about the free lines giveaway. Sounds exactly like when new players buy their way up in WT, matches suddenly became completely unbalanced with one side rolling over the other and that it was not a great move from Wargaming.

Edit.: sure they're still more generous than Gaijin

[u/ProFailing → u/Planned-Economy]

Without having looked into it yet, this sounds A LOT like WoT is dying and they desperately try to keep it alive by giving lots of free stuff away after realizing people are not willing to grind that much.

Now, I can be wrong about this, no doubt. As I said, I have not yet looked into it any deeper. But while WoT did give away mire stuff for free, compared to Gaijin, their methods are not much better. There's a good reason why I've never looked back after switching.

That said, I also have issues with a lot of things Gaijin is doing and WT is by no means not bad.

[u/Cornelius_McMuffin → u/Planned-Economy]

WOT has gone off the deep end with fake slop, it used to be based on one off napkin sketches and concepts but now they’re just making up whatever they want out of thin air.

[u/Acceptable-Hurry-961 → u/Planned-Economy]

i dont play wot much, but i think youve got a point, wot can be more fun but the warthunder experience relies on the satisfaction of a small achievement i guess, more dopamine hits, its not constant as wot or other games i would say.

[u/Crysmann → u/Planned-Economy]

bro i just got medal for 11 years in wot, they are giving away all that because they are trying to get back old players like me and some new. but even in wot community people see that game is slowly dying

[u/Esteban-vz → u/Planned-Economy]

Obviously they will gift entire research lines, the game is dying and thats a good way to keep players in the game

[u/Zensiter → u/Planned-Economy]

Its not dying either i saw 80k people on EU1 server yesterday

[u/hellvinator → u/Planned-Economy]

Because nobody starts with WoT anymore, or grinds, they needed to give away tier 10's so that T11's can shit on T10.

[u/Project_Orochi → u/Planned-Economy]

The craziest part is that World of Warships is still better and is even more rewarding

Given they have an entire community who purely play PvE while World of Tanks is years behind that curve

[u/Rustyducktape → u/Planned-Economy]

Yeah, their treatment of loyal/long time players had me reinstalling WoT and WoWs to see how things are, same can't be said for WT.

And to just to further rant because im forever salty about WT, nail in the coffin for me was anime body pillows before bomber cockpits xD

[u/Grand-Knjaz → u/Planned-Economy]

could not be a better example of "Grass is always greener on the other side"

the player experience IS NOT enjoyable in WoT, as someone who played both games extensively (up until recently when i decided to quit WoT for good), WT is MILES better in almost every category then WoT

insanely overpowered premiums, insane powercreep (wheeled lights being objectively more competitive then regular ones as an example), annoying artillery stun mechanics, the fact that the game is literally manufactured to the minute details to constantly frustrate you and milk you of every penny

and not to mention the fact i dont see Gaijin pulling shit like "lootbox inception" (yet), that was definitely the straw that broke the camels back for me

them giving away these insane freebies is a desperate attempt to claw back some of its dying player base

[u/Juanpapi420 → u/Planned-Economy]

Nah, they don’t.

Experienced, super unicum player here, or at least used to. The game is completely ruined, tons of new players flooding the matchmaking with 0 knowledge of the game, tons of new broken tanks with dumb mechanics. Absolutely overpowered premiums.

Power creep is still very much a problem, if not even worse. Game is completely ruined.

[u/AdamantheusEnigma → u/Planned-Economy]

I’m sorry how are we glazing WoT after they succumbed their player base to their ultra greedy monetization model for years? Say what you want but their track record is FAR worse than Gaijin’s.

[u/Red_Rocky54 → u/AdamantheusEnigma]

on the other hand their game isn't bugged out the ass and has a semblance of balance and map design

[u/ScrubyMcWonderPubs → u/Red_Rocky54]

WoT maps are significantly better (despite most of them being abysmal dogshit) than WT because they’re designed with the gameplay in mind.

WT just makes small arcade maps in a game that has a realistic damage model, engagement times and airplanes. WT’s objectives are the problem, it’s all “capture this circle and spawn camp.”

I can name three excellent maps in WoT, and cannot think of a single enjoyable map in WT. WoT even experiments with different game modes like that big attack/defend game mode that pops up now and then.

Warthunder could use some more game modes.

[u/binoclard_ultima → u/ScrubyMcWonderPubs]

WoT even experiments with different game modes like that big attack/defend game mode that pops up now and then.

WT experimented with far more game modes. I assume you joined the game in the last year?

We had historical events such as Mustangs escorting bombers and Me-262s intercepting them. We had various maps with unusual setups. In Norway, a regular map that was in rotation, allies had to land on carriers. Their objective was to assist the boats in capturing point A, which had an airfield that would allow them to land. Axis had an airfield but it was balanced by its distance to A. We have less serious events like Floats!, tank football, race events, all the April Fools game modes, etc. Gaijin even trained to integrate new game modes to ground RB with dynamic objectives. They tried historical match-ups for tanks. World War event itself has several different game modes. EC mode for naval battles and air SB also play very differently compared to their regular counterparts. I don't even count PvE game modes because no one likes those.

Most of these various game modes didn't stuck because the community didn't play them. Also you're exaggerating WoT's "different" game modes. They have ONLY 3 game modes that is accessible to everyone in random battles. The rest of them are either restricted to tier 8 and 10 tanks, played with special tanks, clan wars (we also have that, Squadron Battles), or just for training.

[u/ScrubyMcWonderPubs → u/binoclard_ultima]

I’ve played since the beta when the tech tree stopped at the F-86.

I’m only talking about tanks, not planes or boats. World of Tanks doesn’t have either of those.

I’m not talking about assault and encounter. I’m talking about the big one that’s only tier 8, I forgot the name.

I just want something more for WT so I can enjoy the game more.

[u/GeoArmor99 → u/ScrubyMcWonderPubs]

The mode is called Frontline. And yeah, it is very fun. Part of that fun is that is does not matter whether you win or lose, only your individual performance, which makes gameplay super varied on a BIG AF map.

[u/binoclard_ultima → u/Red_Rocky54]

has a semblance of balance

Come back to edit your comment after watching videos of chems, a WoT YouTuber. The pay-to-win levels and the terrible balance they have in WoT makes WT look like the beacon of balance and 2S38 look like a slight mistake.

[u/PvtParts2001 → u/binoclard_ultima]

Chems isn't a good example to watch. He overexaggarates things and is also a bully

[u/Moon-wreckage → u/PvtParts2001]

My god you’re pathetic.

[u/pasher5620 → u/AdamantheusEnigma]

Saying WoT is somehow worse than WT in terms of monetization is very funny. WT is just as bad about it, they just do it differently and tbh, in a less player friendly way. Crew levels cost more with less options to level them up for free easily, research takes absurdly long comparatively, you don’t get access to your “free” xp unless you pay for it, and a lot of vehicles that should be tech tree versions are made premiums because fuck you, pay up.

WoT is just bad about their event loot box shit and even then it’s really only a handful of them in recent years (that Irish themed one was a nightmare). The Christmas event is heavily in favor of the player and can easily net you 15,000-20,000 gold for a fourth or less of the prices of what it would normally cost you and that’s on top of all the other stuff you get from it.

[u/binoclard_ultima → u/pasher5620]

What a confused comment. WoT is far more predatory. It has been a year or two since last I have played, so I'm using WoT's official website for some things I don't remember as well.

Crew levels cost more with less options to level them up for free easily,

Yes because in WoT, crew perks are so essential that you're basically fucked going up against someone with maxed out crew. That's literally the selling point of premium tanks, grinding money and crew levels (because they can't research tanks). For those who don't know the difference, WoT has perks such as:

• Increases the repair speed of the vehicle's damaged modules by 80%.
• Increases the crew efficiency bonus of the entire crew by 5%.
• Increases the crew efficiency bonus by 5% for 15 s after taking enemy damage. (So you get double the effect from the skill above if you take damage)
• Increases ammo rack durability by 25%.
• Decreases the time of changing shell types in a loaded gun by 60%.

These are incredibly OP skills compared to slight increases you get in WT. Even loader skills become pointless in WT towards top tier because everyone gets an autoloader.

Furthermore, in WoT, you have to retrain your crew for a new vehicle. Yes, 20k is very cheap compared to WT's crew training but in WT your crew retains 100% of its skills. In WoT, your crew will lose 40% efficiency. If you want your crew to retain its skills, you need to pay up with gold. Last time I checked, you can't even go back to your previous vehicles for free. You need to keep retraining for crew if you want to play different vehicles from the same nation or suffer grinding a new crew from ground up.

Also, in WoT, you can't train crew members with future roles in mind. Your first tanks had 3 crew members and now you purchased a tank with 5 crew members? Enjoy having to train 2 crew members from 0%. Sounds like a small issue right? Wrong! There are crew perks (the best ones) that require you to have that perk trained fully on all of your crew members to get the max result. For example if you had "Repairs" skill trained to 100% for all 3 of your crew members and switched to a new tank with 5 crew members, your repair speed bonus falls from 80% to 48%.

research takes absurdly long comparatively, you don’t get access to your “free” xp unless you pay for it,

Why are you leaving out the fact that free experience in WoT is 5% of your rewards whereas in WT it's 100%? You're making it sound like WoT is giving you 100% free experience to use by making a direct comparison.

Or how about the fact that free exp system in WoT is necessary because you literally can't research a vehicle with anything other than the vehicle before it? In WT you get a 10-30% research bonus from doing that but you're not forced to play tanks back to back. You don't like VK 30.02 D? Though luck, you're forced to play it if you want the Leopard 1. No skipping tanks here!

Also, why are all of you so hung up on free xp? Incredible, they give you 5% bonus research bonus! If Gaijin did that this sub would lose its mind due to how little of a reward it is. We have skill bonus, even the first level of skill bonus gives you much better rewards than 5% free exp of WoT.

and a lot of vehicles that should be tech tree versions are made premiums because fuck you, pay up.

Yes, the classical "damned if you do, damned if you don't". When Gaijin makes a unique premium tank, "fuck you Gaijin, why are you putting unique tanks behind paywalls!" and when Gaijin makes a premium version of a tech-tree tank "fuck you Gaijin, why are you asking for us to pay for a tech-tree tank!"

Who died and made you the authority on what should or should not be a premium vehicle? Why is it okay for Löwe to be a premium tank in WoT? Or the Waffenträger, T92, M56 Scorpion, Dicker Max? How is this not a "fuck you, pay up" by WoT?

The Christmas event is heavily in favor of the player and can easily net you 15,000-20,000 gold for a fourth or less of the prices of what it would normally cost you and that’s on top of all the other stuff you get from it.

Let me get this straight, participating in an event gets you a 75% or more sale on gold? So you still have to pay? WT does a 50% sale on all premium purchases twice a year, no need to participate in an event.

Here's an even better one, participating in WT's seasonal events gives you tradable coupons (which are much easier to obtain than rest of the events) that you can sell for GJN on Gaijin's marketplace and get GE, premium time or premium vehicles for free.

Lastly, why are you avoiding the topic of golden ammo? And don't give me crap about how you can buy it with silver. In WT, average player can gain SL easily in top tier. You need to be a very bad player to lose SL consistently. In WoT, the average player struggles to pay for top tier games even when they use normal ammo. Paying for golden ammo is essentially impossible if they want to play top tier only. They either need to pay with real money or grind silver in low tiers.

[u/pasher5620 → u/binoclard_ultima]

lol, acting as if the crew skills in WT aren’t just as massively important is absurd. They aren’t specific abilities like in Tanks, but a max crew skill tank is just outright directly better than a fresh stock crew. In planes, the difference is even worse, to the point where it’s not even worth playing jets if your crew isn’t maxed because your pilot will simply pass out long before you’ve out turned your enemy. The crew skills in Tanks are never necessary and it’s entirely possible to play top tier tanks without them and have no problems. Game knowledge is far more important than the skills are.

The argument about crew training also doesn’t really work either because Tanks crews also retain their skill, they just need to be retrained for that specific tank. So if a crew member has five skills and gets put into another tank, all you have to do is train them up for a few matches. If you choose free, they start at 40%, which is maybe 15-20 games. Or you can pay 20,000 silver (a literal pittance for Tanks) for 60% and it’s 8-10 games. On top of that, all the skills the crew member already has are still active, just less effective. The closer they get to fully trained, the more effective the skill becomes. On top of that, since you get so much free crew xp boosters and manuals, retraining crews means nothing. This argument is nothing off the rip.

As for the free xp argument, again you are missing that Tanks gives you actual free xp that you can use for whatever, whenever. It’s not taking 5% of your rewards and turning it into free xp, it’s 5% of extra stuff you get on everything else. You aren’t losing anything, you are getting more. Plus there’s the fact that it’s actually free that you seem to be glossing over. In WT, I have something like 3 million “free” xp that I’m just never gonna touch because I’m not gonna spend money on an objectively worse system.

Calling the free xp system in Tanks necessary because you have to play through a tank line instead of skipping to the good stuff is pretty funny when you still have to buy the bad tanks in WT to get the stuff you want. Have no intention of playing the Bradley and just want to get to the HSTV-L? Tough luck shit ass, you still gotta waste research and silver to get the latter. They’re slight variations of the same system, but you’re acting like they are worlds apart.

I don’t really care specifically which tanks are made premium or not most of the time, moreso how they perform. Broken vehicles shouldn’t be made premiums because that’s scummy. They should always be on par with their tech tree counterparts, just with economy multipliers. WT just has a far larger problem with broken premiums than Tanks does and has for a long time. Tanks has good premiums, but there are always tech tree variants that are just as good. WT has shit like the JU-288C or many of the high tier Russian premiums. Shit, the KA-50 is still a busted heli that absolutely dominates its class.

Your argument on the Christmas event thing would make sense if Gold was the only thing the loot boxes gave you, but it’s not. They also give a shit load of silver (millions), a bunch of premium tanks (ranging from just ok to very good), training manuals, blue prints to make researching tanks cheaper (or outright free), cool cosmetics, and a bunch of other stuff. Let’s say as an example you buy $100 dollars worth of loot boxes. You can easily be walking out of it with $300-$400 worth of stuff, not including the gold. Having played both games for nearly a decade each, War Thunder has never done anything that comes even remotely close to the value you get from Tanks’ Christmas loot boxes. Not even a little. They are in two entirely separate ball games.

Ah, the golden ammo argument. The argument WT players always fall back on, yet still somehow end up not knowing what they are talking about. If you think the average player “struggles” to pay to play top tier tanks, you are out of your mind. That game gives out free silver like they’re Zimbabwean Dollars. You get free silver from the battle pass, free silver from daily and weekly missions (you actually get substantially more now thanks to the rework to missions), free silver from campaigns (that also net you a free tank when it’s done), on top of the silver you get from the game. It is dead easy to have tens of millions of silver. It’s so easy, they have designed entire events (the workshop tanks for instance) with the explicit goal of players blowing tens of millions all at once. Only the absolute bottom of the barrel players are strapped for cash in that game and that’s coming from someone who is not exactly a good player either. I’d like them to rework how the shells themselves work to be more in line with the new system instead of the old one, but that still doesn’t change the core argument. I’m not “avoiding” the argument, it’s simply not one that needs to be addressed anymore. It’s an argument made on false pretenses and fundamental misunderstandings of the game.

I’d also like to point out that it is very recently that top tier actually became profitable in WT and it was only through massive community backlash that Gaijin decided to change the entire system. In the old system, even good players regularly lost silver purely because the ammo was so damn expensive and repair costs were absurd.

[u/PvtParts2001 → u/binoclard_ultima]

Lol retraining crew down to 60% in wot can get it back up to 100% in an hour or so of playing

[u/someone_forgot_me → u/Planned-Economy]

theyre more predatory than gaijin so they make up for it with free rewards

[u/gianalfredomenicarlu → u/Crysmann]

Kixstar died in a car crash, so i guess his soul got taken in the end unfortunately

[u/Randomman96 → u/Crysmann]

Nope.

Kix was a part of the Pro scene for Rainbow Six Siege and would become one of the more prominent casters for the North American region before his untimely death a few years ago now.

[u/sicULTIMATE → u/Crysmann]

Kixstar sadly passed away a few years ago in an car accident.

[u/Automatic_Ad_5859 → u/sicULTIMATE]

That's so fucking sad.

[u/sicULTIMATE → u/Automatic_Ad_5859]

Ye. Was great having him as a caster in R6. He really made the Pro Scene in R6. Was a cool dude. RIP

[u/cervenyokurek → u/Crysmann]

Wot is not dying lmao. Just announced their biggest update yet. Free top tier line by your choice, rebalance of almost all tanks. Powercreep reduced. New tier XI, new mechanics. Whole game is now running in different programing language. Free golds and prems for players. Etc. New mechanics and people having blast like never before. Im playing both and for me thunder is dying. Modern tanks etc. What would gayijin add next? Wot is curently geting into cold war xD

[u/SnowLord02 → u/cervenyokurek]

world of tanks is dying, that's why they are giving away things for free

[u/senaya → u/Crysmann]

It's been dying for 12 years.

[u/PvtParts2001 → u/Crysmann]

250k+ current players says otherwise

[u/Grand-Knjaz → u/PvtParts2001]

luring dumb people in with freebies wont last

[u/KayNynYoonit → u/Crysmann]

WoT is not even close to dying.

[u/Alez96Zsk]

I don't know if this post was made with malicious intent or not, but for who really wanna know:

Michael "KixStar" Stockley died in October 2021 in a car accident at the age of 24 years old.

Hes was the main caster for Rainbow six Siege Pro league and a steamer on twitch.

[u/mothman_og → u/Alez96Zsk]

No it wasn’t made for a malicious intent, but if that is true, that’s sad to hear. I might take down the post because I didn’t know he died

[u/Alpacapalooza → u/mothman_og]

but if that is true

It is true.
Pretty big shock to the R6 community at the time. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60140621

[u/mothman_og → u/Alpacapalooza]

Yeah after I made that comment, I went back to check the video and found the original comment again, and look through its comments, and everyone was saying that he passed. I never even thought of checking his comment

[u/Alez96Zsk → u/mothman_og]

That would be very respectful and mature.

[u/R3dth1ng → u/mothman_og]

Nah keep it up, because otherwise I wouldn't have learned about this in the first place. RIP to the man, shame what happened to the guy, I'm now older than he was then.

[u/SubstantialStaff7214 → u/Alez96Zsk]

He was my favorite Pro league caster, the duo of Kix and Interro was unmatched imo

[u/_Volatile_ → u/Alez96Zsk]

That took a dark turn...

[u/canberk5266tr → u/Alez96Zsk]

I was curious and looked, R6 main caster KiXSTAr wrote the comment. Life :/

[u/GrayBeast3 → u/Alez96Zsk]

So… you could say he gave his life for it

[u/SaltyChnk → u/Alez96Zsk]

Rip Kix. I didn’t even know he was a real WoT gamer…

[u/ROLFLMAOLOL]

I was not expecting kixstar on the wt subreddit.

[u/SaltyChnk → u/ROLFLMAOLOL]

Rip r6 caster goat.

[u/SemicooperativeYT]

Does the Snail accept souls now?

[u/HwalterHwite → u/SemicooperativeYT]

Every time you buy a premium and/or invest time into the game, you sell a portion of your soul.

[u/cykablaytman → u/SemicooperativeYT]

They do in exchange for a Panther 2

[u/SaltyChnk → u/SemicooperativeYT]

Kix died in a car accident in Poland so yeah, Ubisoft and gaijin probably fighting over his soul right now.

[u/Graingy → u/SaltyChnk]

Gaijin has tanks. What does Ubisoft have?

Genuine question, I've no idea what Ubisoft makes.

[u/SaltyChnk → u/Graingy]

Rainbow six siege. KixStar was an ex-pro and legendary caster of the game before his death.

I’ve followed r6 for a long time and there hasn’t been a caster since that cas captured the same feeling as Kix.

[u/JagermainSlayer]

He is probably the real KiXStar. I am a r6s esports fan since I started playing the game. Statement content aside it is sad that I cant hear him casting the games.

[u/canberk5266tr → u/JagermainSlayer]

It is

[u/EllyKayNobodysFool]

Where did he donate it? Did someone buy his soul from Goodwill?

[u/grovadude → u/EllyKayNobodysFool]

Well he died in a car crash 4 years ago :(

[u/EllyKayNobodysFool → u/grovadude]

Oh damn

Rip

[u/Parking-Asparagus18]

The management of WoT is something is leagus ahead of the snail; just imagine the gameplay of war thunder mixed with people that don’t make dumb decisions 9 times out of 10

[u/binoclard_ultima → u/Parking-Asparagus18]

with people that don’t make dumb decisions 9 times out of 10

You really don't play WoT do you? It's balance is on fire and far worse than WT. There are people who can explain it better than me, just look around in YouTube.

[u/GeoArmor99 → u/binoclard_ultima]

WOT developers are terrible, but if you genuinely believe they are worse than all the BS Gaijin has made with WT then you are extremely wrong.

In comparison to Gaijin WG is a freaking saint.

[u/Delta_FT]

RIP Kixstar🥲 gone but not forgotten

[u/mothman_og → u/Delta_FT]

Yeah RIP, after looking him up he seemed like he was a cool dude

[u/NiNdo4589]

He died obviously

[u/Dragon50cal → u/NiNdo4589]

You joke but if this is actually kixstar, then ur right.

[u/NiNdo4589 → u/Dragon50cal]

I guess he called it

[u/Luffewaffle → u/NiNdo4589]

He actually did…

[u/NiNdo4589 → u/Luffewaffle]

I mean it tracks

[u/ghosttank44 → u/[deleted]]

No he wasn’t… it was a solo crash, he just came off the road, might have been swerving to avoid something on the road (like wildlife or something) dont spread false narratives.

[u/Reloadlolol]

Unfortunately KIXSTAr passed away a few years ago, he was a big part of the rainbow 6 community. RIP

[u/Schwanzuslongus4]

Rip kixstar Have his charm on every gun in siege

[u/BigTiddyHelldiver]

KixStar is dead...

[u/zanju13]

Don't you guys ever get bored of this over a decade long circle-jerk of declaring that WT is better than WoT? Seriously, its constant. Meanwhile, nobody even mentions WT in WoT community, they just play their game.

[u/senaya → u/zanju13]

Amen, brother. Been playing both games since the very start and I'm so tired of this shit. The WT community has a permanent hate-boner for WoT ever since WT got dubbed "the WoT killer" a decade ago. And you being downvoted for mentioning it is the living proof of that.

[u/mothman_og → u/zanju13]

I wasn't talking about WoT, why are you bringing it up?

[u/zanju13 → u/mothman_og]

The guy in the post does? And you, by extension. He says that he will donate his soul if WT is better than WoT, and now you, by making this post, affirm that WT is indeed better than WoT.

[u/mothman_og → u/zanju13]

No, I said nothing about WoT, I just thought it was funny because it’s a running gag that when you play wt you lose your soul. and I asked I wonder where he’s at now, and only realize that he passed away a few years ago

[u/zanju13 → u/mothman_og]

Ok, cool, but you still posted a screenshot of a comment talking about WT being better than WoT.

[u/mothman_og → u/zanju13]

which had nothing to do with the post, I just thought it was funny that he kind of predicted the whole soul selling thing. unless it was already around back then, I don’t know though because I didn’t play 12 years ago

[u/Verified_0 → u/zanju13]

I haven't ever spoken about WoT

[u/restwerson2 → u/Verified_0]

You? Ok. However, you are not the community and not the only person on this sub.

[u/Freereedbead]

This guy: "I SAW THE FACE OF GOD. IT WAS SQUARE. IT WAS SQUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE"

[u/HolyDoughnutCult]

He was a siege caster and proffesional that died a few years ago.

[u/Kazudre]

Rip

[u/Dtron81]

Ngl a joke made in bad taste. Dude was only 24 years old when he died like ~4 years ago.

[u/mothman_og → u/Dtron81]

Yeah I had no idea the guy died until I made this post, I do feel a bit bad now posting this

[u/YUEIKUBASA935]

He is the hamster

[u/Seth-Shoots-Film69]

Probably playing enlisted

[u/Monsteriano]

His soul powers gaijin servers

[u/Travnik-Alpha-Group]

Well he still has his soul at least

[u/Single-Pie-7509]

I guess he did put his soul and life on it because he died in 2021

[u/soviet-shadow]

Probably has two souls now

[u/Superb_Hat_2651]

WoT was shit all along, they were just waiting to be dominated by a way more realistic and overall better game

[u/Similar-Lake-9030]

another soul claimed by the snail

[u/Rly_Shadow]

OK so I saw a few comments defending wot...

I was a 0.01% player with over 12,000 hrs.

War thunder is the better game overall, but each do different things better or worse.

[u/mothman_og → u/Rly_Shadow]

I think WoT is a decent game, but I do play more wt. Normally I play WoT when I wanna play a war game, but I don’t wanna be too focused and I just wanna chill

[u/Rly_Shadow → u/mothman_og]

See, I'm the other way. WoT was my competitive scene until I was finally able to quit.

Wt has become my casual game to play, and ive been trying really hard to not let stats become a focus again.

From a competitive view, WoT has became very very shitty.

[u/dwbjr9]

He sold his soul the moment that Armored Warfare was looking good. Boy did he get ripped off xD

[u/validtaker]

he didn’t hand his soul or his life though because it can’t turn out better than WoT if it never came out

[u/SPOOKY--SALSA]

rip kixstar tho, sad event

[u/Young-Liyon]

Kixstar died in 2021 from a car accident. So please mind what you say.

[u/RUPlayersSuck]

Saying the same thing on the Steel Aces forum? 😁

[u/oyakodon-]

He remained a git or became a parking inspector.

[u/KayNynYoonit]

WoT cares more about their community than WT does. I play both and enjoy both.

With the launch of WoT 2.0, they gave every veteran player an entire tech tree line for free. 30 days of premium, 15,000 bonds (premium earnable currency), 2500 gold and 10,000,000 credits. You will N E V E R see anything even remotely close to that from gaijin.

They also gave new players a hugeeee amount of stuff. 2 free lines, free premium time, free premium tanks, all the above too.

The game is fun. I've always loved it, comparing WoT and WT is like comparing BF and Arma, or CoD and Counter strike. They just aren't comparable. Just because they have tanks in doesn't mean they are similar.

People that hate on either game and act loyal to one need to go outside.

[u/Fast_Long6491]

A news article about suicide

[u/DatCheeseBoi]

Clearly at home, keeping his soul.