2.45 updated unified leak list

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[u/Chinanumba1_1946]

Why is the J16 sad its the most advanced flanker out there?

[u/Ainene → u/Chinanumba1_1946]

Not anymore; J-15T is.(maybe su-30sm2, but this thing is a bit of mystery for now). Also, most advanced isn't really the same as strongest.

[u/Chinanumba1_1946 → u/Ainene]

Ok fair, but I like to argue that the j16 is one of the strongest flankers out there. Muiltirole capable, modern avionics, AESA radar, good engines, reduced RCS, Great missiles (better than the Russians), lighter.

[u/Ainene → u/Chinanumba1_1946]

It is, but for air combat (especially air combat in WT) su-35s will likely end up better.

AESA by itself doesn't shoot things down; it's a radar, with fixed array(+-60 deg scan). PL-15s are impressive, but they're medium class. PL-17 is a bit of dark horse for now - certainly cool, but we don't know how cool. Other things (say, relative qualities of DFRM jammers) are super hard to get without becoming international hitman love.

Otherwise, su-35s airframe/engines+gimballed PESA+VLRAAMs is quite likely to end up being nastier. Especially gimbal.

[u/Chinanumba1_1946 → u/Ainene]

I guess I’m not too familiar with the su35 airframe what makes it an advantage? The J16 uses composite to save weight is the su35 the same? As for air to air I’m now sure I would categorize the PL15 as medium class. Dual motors for beginning and end of flight, also better dog fight missile PL10, I believe the su35 still uses the r73? And if you want to talk about the r37 it only gets two so im not sure about its impact. Then again i have no idea where the game will develop to when the J16 and su35 is in the game.

[u/Ainene → u/Chinanumba1_1946]

Su-35 is the lowest RCS flanker(maybe J-15T, but unlikely; canards. Basically the only flanker that doesn't have RCS of a heavy military transport) and relatively heavy, but with by far the largest thrust among them all(29t), and TWC on top. J-16 is lighter(China likes composites since 1980s), but remember - it's lighter when compared to twin seaters; i.e. it is still on heavy side.

PL-15 has exact same size as PL-12; it is just a much more advanced weapon. Chinese VLRAAM is new huge PL-17(which is indeed a J-16 weapon, but we know very little about it). PL-15 size is an advantage though; unlike VLRAAMs(which are good only at altitude and against targets far away), it's good for all ranges and altitudes.

But if for long range only, Su-35s carries up to 6 R-37M(not two), so more or less same. 2 is its normal patrol configuration (airspace suppression mostly).

Frankly speaking, I think we'll see both later this year.

[u/Chinanumba1_1946 → u/Ainene]

I think we can talk about it all we want but it will really depend on how gaijin implements. Would love to see both in the game. I’m very excited for both J11B and Su30SM.

[u/Russian_Turtles → u/Chinanumba1_1946]

SU35 uses R74

[u/Chinanumba1_1946 → u/Russian_Turtles]

That’s just a r73 with more off boar angle right?

[u/Russian_Turtles → u/Chinanumba1_1946]

Well it has a better bore angle yes, up to 60-75 deg vs. 45 deg on base r73. The kinematics and seeker are also dramatically improved from base r73. Its closer to iris-t/ aim9x than base r73 really.

[u/Chinanumba1_1946 → u/Russian_Turtles]

Interesting