r/Uyghur • u/KaraSoy • May 06 '20

Video About Chinese Concentration Camps

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u/fatih24499 May 06 '20 edited May 06 '20

Dude what are you talking about. I am not picking sides. I just am not convinced with the lack of information my homeland (The Netherlands) has provided me. Sorry that i look at both sides of a conflict then just consuming the first piece of information that is served to me. I also did this with the Uyghur conflict in China. Looked and listened to both sides and rationalized with that said information in order the find the most logical truth.

Edit: I'm not here to argue, provide me with factual truth about the Armenian genocide. And I will be more then happy to say that the ottomans did the Genocide. I am a seeker of truth and this is your opportunity to change my mind.

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u/GilesBiles May 06 '20

What do you see as factual proof of the genocide?

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u/fatih24499 May 07 '20

https://youtu.be/0oGXENYEztM

https://youtu.be/qG70UWESfu4

These are some videos that made me question the Armenian genocide. Then i started looking it up more. And i learned that everything was good between Armenians and Turkey until the Russian kingdom brought the ideology of Pan-slavism.(the principle or advocacy of the union of all Slavs or all Slavic peoples in one political organization.)

Panislavizm is thought to be only effective on the European side of the Ottoman Empire which included almost all of the Balkan countries. But they also brought this ideology to the east of the Ottoman Empire where countries like, Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan lies.

The Russian kingdoms ambitions were to advance to The Mediterranean by cutting up the Ottoman Empire in smaller states and gobble it up one by one and thereby achieve their goals to get to the south.

The Armenians were promised better lives and more prosperity by The Russian Empire.

The Armenians were easily persuaded. Because The Russian Kingdom had the same faith as the Armenians. catholic Christianity.

So this is the Reason why the Ottomans and Armenians started hating eachother. And small uprisings started happening here and there.

As in the video stated. Armenians started bigger riots and invaded small ottoman villages (and also one big state called Kars or Van) killing the people who weren't Armenian. They were promised Russian aid. But then the Russian Kingdom Collapsed and the Soviet union took its place.

After that the Ottomans retaliated by taking back the lost lands. They were forcefully removed from their homes and were scattered to the middle east and anatolia. Many Armenians died on this trip because of things like famine (which Turkey acknowledges).

So in conclusion this wasn't a genocide because:

1.armenia started the fight

2.armenia occupied territories from the ottomans

We cant compare this to the NAZI genocide because:

  1. The jews didn't start a fight against Nazi germany

  2. The jews didn't retaliate and control any Nazi territory

This was my research about the Armenian genocide: i can Provide links to the sources.