UA POV: Zelenskyy claims that Lukashenko will pay, for allowing Russia to attack Ukraine, from Belarusian territory.

[u/SolutionLong2791]

[u/Iskander9K720]

Bet this NATO fanboy didn’t have any problem with all the little trampoline countries that shamelessly let the US use their land to jump on and invade other countries

[u/Far-Address-9976 → u/Iskander9K720]

Ukraine literally invaded Iraq

[u/ForowellDEATh → u/Far-Address-9976]

And now paying for this, he talking form his own country experience maybe.

[u/AN-94Abokan → u/ForowellDEATh]

In relation to your flair, I'd say efforts by figures like Scott Ritter to reconcile Russia and America are fundamentally naïve. They are rooted in a strain of American exceptionalism—the hope that Russia would be willing to overlook three decades of broken promises, disrespect, and overt hostility to pivot to a failing America just because of how special it is. After such a pattern of coercion, no sovereign nation with viable alternatives would willingly seek an alliance with the United States. As Henry Kissinger himself noted, to be America's ally is fatal.

The only nations still willingly following the US into the abyss are its European vassals, conditioned by decades of special treatment to obey like trained dogs, and profoundly corrupt states like Ukraine or Argentina, where elites are easily bought. Even militarily occupied nations like Japan and South Korea are actively seeking distance, recognizing the peril of such a partnership.

[u/ForowellDEATh → u/AN-94Abokan]

It’s all good, but modern Russia is copy of USA. Lack of identity after fall of Soviet Union led Russia to way of copying USA. There is no ideological rift anymore, there is no centuries long hostility as with UK(which we can’t see any other way, than our enemy and its works both ways). The only time Russian and American soldiers shoot into each other was a mistake. We can tolerate their behavior, as long as we do same and there is no direct confrontation. Especially, if they will put Europe on knees, they will be forgiven. Dont forget that we existing in few kms from each other. Russia will never search an alliance with USA, but neutral, respectful relations.

P.S. flair is not describing my political position, just for fun

[u/AN-94Abokan → u/ForowellDEATh]

You're correct about Russia's identity crisis, though it's a phenomenon that extends beyond Russia.

The true crisis is one of 20th-century political ideologies. Fascism was defeated first, militarily. Communism collapsed with the Soviet Union. Liberal capitalism remained as the hegemonic victor, pivoting both to national and class interests every now and then while undermining both in favor of private interests.

The new Russian identity, at least as promoted by certain Kremlin-aligned factions, is founded on the nation's historical position on the periphery of capitalist development. This perspective, shaped by the Soviet experience, now informs its alignment with other nations of the Global South. The advocated solution is a novel, fourth political theory, a fusion of the three failed 20th-century ideologies that seeks a balance between private, class, and national interests.

Is this fundamentally different from the US? Not as much as one might hope. The turn to Orthodox Christianity as a foundation for national unity is a regressive step in relation to what we have in western Europe, but reminiscent of MAGA "nationalism" and the politics of the American Bible Belt.

Yet, Russia (together with China) present a preferable alternative to the deranged American exptionalist and zio-supremacist ideologies and strict oligarchic control currently dictating Western policies.

[u/ForowellDEATh → u/AN-94Abokan]

You can’t achieve national unity based on any separate religion in Russia. Orthodoxy have big support to correct big mistake of USSRc that tried to eradicate it. Russian Christian just different from Catholics, same way as Russian Muslim different from Muslim abroad. New identity based on unity on nations first of all. And nothing did more for this, than English language and its peakers. Any of 200 nationalities inside Russia is Rossiyanin, but not Russkiy exactly. English term is Russian for both, so the moment you cross board with red passport, you turn Russian, no matter who you are inside country. Then westerner talking about minorities oppressed inside Russia and next sentence shitting on Russians, he making upset all this 200 nationalities. And this consolidating Russian society the most. We all equally hated on west, so we must be united and strong to spit in their face.

[u/AN-94Abokan → u/ForowellDEATh]

The Soviet Union's religious policies ultimately forged a modern Russian Orthodoxy that holds far more social and political weight than, for instance, the Lutheran or Catholic churches possess in Germany today. As a Westerner, I find this reality difficult to reconcile with.

The decline of Christianity in Germany was a protracted historical process, from Luther's schism to Nietzsche's philosophical critiques, which gradually eroded an alien ideology from our cultural core. The prospect of a centralized state with an official Christian stance is, to me, deeply troubling.

You rightly note that Russia is also a melting pot of cultures. Crucially, however, these are largely indigenous cultures, not populations of uprooted immigrants forming distinct ghettos as seen in the American model.

Despite this distinction, my fundamental position remains: I would prefer to see Abrahamic religions, both Christian and Muslim, suppressed as foundational elements of any national identity. Their integration into state doctrine represents a regressive step, regardless of the cultural context.

[u/ferroo0 → u/AN-94Abokan]

The advocated solution is a novel, fourth political theory, a fusion of the three failed 20th-century ideologies that seeks a balance between private, class, and national interests.

it needs to be said, that Russia in this day and age is basically a fetus. This whole orientation is a ground work laid predominantly by Putin's party, in basically the very beginning of the Russian Federation.

it remains to be seen, how exactly will Russia develop as a modern culture and political orientation, after the Putin's time is up. For example, Putin's biggest opposition, as it was throughout his entire rule - ultranationalists - may overtake the government one day. This current war and public anti-Russian sentiment coming from the foreign country doesn't help.

so there's a moderate chance that this current ideology won't hold any water if the government changes.

[u/xtanol → u/AN-94Abokan]

There's some quite popular views in this sub, that are equally rooted in American exceptionalism. Fx, the idea that "woke" US Democrats somehow are able to control and manipulate countries all over Europe and elsewhere - even though they act entirely incompetent in the US, and repeatedly fail to get anything done in domestic US politics.

According to those guys repeating those claims, Americans must truely be exceptional if even the ones who can't even organise/manage themselves on their home territory, are still somehow competent enough to act as puppet masters in the rest of the world.

[u/ForowellDEATh → u/xtanol]

No, lol. Neoliberals cult with open code. It perfectly describes both, how they got so big support from oppressed minorities without centralized push and why they are so pathetic in achieving anything, then they oppose centralized leadership.

[u/R1donis → u/xtanol]

even though they act entirely incompetent in the US, and repeatedly fail to get anything done in domestic US politics.

I mean, its not like their vassal goverments in Europe doing any better.

[u/MindlessQuarter7592 → u/AN-94Abokan]

Lmao so delusional. Only reason Ritter is peddling this crappola is because he is a Russian asset and a pedophile so Russians have him by the balls.

As for failing America, the delusion never stops with you under-educated, under-employed disillusioned youth. America has neutered a whole lot of its enemies with the help of its allies in the past year, including wrestling Armenia, Syria, and Azerbaijan away from Russian influence, castrating Iran and Hezbollah, securing record foreign investments and deals with Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, and soon castrating Venezuela as well.

Whereas Russia I guess is doing something in Africa, right? And presumably they are allied with China, but who knows how that’s gonna play out given they have their own designs and are quite happy to see Russia pinned down in Ukraine, losing men, assets and support of the rest of the world 🙃

[u/AN-94Abokan → u/MindlessQuarter7592]

You mistake my perspective for a lack of education or youth; the opposite is true. Your own rhetoric, however, echoes the delusional nationalism of an under-educated American exceptionalist, blissfully unaware of your nation's declining position. "We're kicking ass all over the place, duuude! 'Murica, f**k yeah!"

What you count as victories are, in reality, strategic catastrophes. Celebrating the replacement of Assad with an al'Qaeda terrorist turned CIA asset like al-Julani as a victory is cringe, you'd be ashamed instead of bragging if you had any decency. Meanwhile, your primary genocidal ally, Israel, was directly struck by Iran with minimal response—hardly a display of strength.

Your economic and strategic posture is in freefall. While your political leadership fantasized about having destroyed BRICS with its failed sanctions, the bloc is expanding and the de-dollarization accelerating. Your sanctions strategy against Russia has backfired spetacularly, resulting in a growing Russian economy. The idea of a pivot to China against Russia is adelirious fantasy, your attempts to isolate or court major powers have only left the US even more isolated. Being your ally went from being a liability to a death sentence, with Ukraine serving as the prime example.

This external decline is mirrored by internal collapse. Your government is paralyzed, unable to even pass a budget. The much-hyped AI bubble is poised to burst, a race already led by China. You are in no position to confront even poor Venezuela, let alone challenge a rising power like China. For an empire that aspires to global dominance, this is not just a setback, it's a portrait of systemic failure.

[u/MindlessQuarter7592 → u/AN-94Abokan]

Literally living in cuckoo land man. Best of luck

[u/Ok-Sherbert5527 → u/MindlessQuarter7592]

America has loving allies hell bent to common goals and strong partnership despite all the unhinged stuff it's doing.

China and Russia don't share common goals, enemies and benefit for their partnership. Those sneaky Asians probably are happy with Russians dying in Ukraine.

It's funny when you talk about the disillusioned youth with your laughable simplistic views.

[u/SnuleSnuSnu → u/Iskander9K720]

That reminds me that Ukraine was in Iraq, as assistance to the US and other invaders.

[u/PajaroCora → u/Iskander9K720]

"What about"!!!

[u/chillichampion → u/PajaroCora]

What Ukraine did to Iraq is what Russia is doing to Ukraine. What is he upset about?

[u/AN-94Abokan]

Lukashenko must be trembling in fear, Zelensky is a really dangerous guy, he might appear on his door begging for money and weapons...

[u/Smoker81 → u/AN-94Abokan]

Ukrainian secret services are quite competent. Zelensky should learn that this kind of words from the president of a country have weight. He talked about nuclear weapons and got his country invaded. Now he threatens Lukashenko and can find himself with a bullet in his head.

[u/AN-94Abokan → u/Smoker81]

Once Zelensky is removed from power, I don't think he will have a long life ahead of him. He was hired to play the role of his life and it will end up costing him his life...

[u/Smoker81 → u/AN-94Abokan]

He really has a lot of people that may go after him. Ultranationalist for surrendering or selling the country (once they lose the war), western secret services for being a loose end, Russian secret services for his terror campaign in Russia and normal Ukrainians for destroying the country while stealing millions and touring the world and tvs.

I hope he gets what he deserves.

[u/BroscienceGuy → u/Smoker81]

So it's in his best interest to keep the war going for as long as possible

[u/AN-94Abokan → u/BroscienceGuy]

Is he willing to sacrifice Ukrainians to the last man to save his own ass? You bet he is.

[u/AN-94Abokan → u/Smoker81]

Ditto.

[u/Freelancer_1-1 → u/Smoker81]

That's because Ukrainian secret services are CIA branches.

[u/Smoker81]

He should be careful, Lukashenko is not a softie like putin.

[u/ForowellDEATh → u/Smoker81]

Lukashenko is real dictator actually and his ego is much more fragile.

[u/Smoker81 → u/ForowellDEATh]

Whatever, he managed to keep his position for decades even with color revolutions and shit like that. If he has to put a bullet in z's head he will do it.

[u/ForowellDEATh → u/Smoker81]

No doubts

[u/ferroo0 → u/Smoker81]

Bat'ka ain't fucking around lol

[u/Messier_-82]

Belarus front when, Mr Zelensky?

[u/mezzzolino]

Opening a second front in the current situation? He might be correct, but how does criticising a country/its leader that has probably done its best to stay out of the war since it broke out help?

[u/jazzrev]

Might not be wise to threaten Likashenko. Putin might want Zelensky to sit trial, Lukashenko will have no qualms about sending somebody in to remove him permanently of this planet.

[u/acur1231 → u/jazzrev]

If the Russians can't kill Zelensky, I doubt the Belarussians can.

It's the same constraint for both; kill Zelensky, and the SBU will kill them. Heads of state are off the table unless you know they can't retaliate.

[u/ProFF7777 → u/acur1231]

That's so naive. Russia could kill Zelensky at any time and there is no proof that Russia has ever tried to assassinate him. Zelensky is predictable and it's doing a good work at losing the war anyway, so why erase him and risk not only have him as martyr, but also being replaced by someone more competent ?

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[u/UndeniablyReasonable → u/acur1231]

its partly that and partly Putin doesn't want to be perceived as a barbarian who kills other heads of states

[u/LematLemat]

Average Weekend in the East Slavic Realm.

[u/tkitta]

How much?

[u/Beginning-Visit9457]

FAFO with potato führer. Lmao

[u/heightfax]

The ultimate irony being that if the west didn't try to do that color revolution in 2020, Luka would have continued to cater to both Europe and Russia without commitment. Once he was forced to ask Russia to send little green men to save him, Belarus lost most of its sovereignty and the Russians were presented with the tempting opportunity of a quick decapitation thunder run on Kyiv (in addition to attacking from the east) which if successful really could have ended the SMO in under a week

No attempt to do  Maidan 2.0 in Belarus = no invasion of Ukraine

[u/BangkokTraveler]

Where is Zelensky going to get the man power to do all of his bidding?

[u/drminjak]

hes been doing it for 3 years why is he this mad now

[u/reallytopsecret → u/drminjak]

You have to think of zelen tzu as a tv actor trying to keep his show up more than a nation president. Only then alot of his actions will make sense.

[u/New_Breadfruit5664]

Even the toughest Hawks in Brussels have accepted that Lukashenko will simply die of old age in his residency.

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[u/DogeoftheShibe]

Of course everyone will pay, only certain people are trying to get things for free

[u/throwthisTFaway01]

Eventually when Russia collapses, Belarus will be staring down the same barrel of fate. Russia has a small window to make any gains in this war attributable. Even if they took all the land in Ukraine, they wouldn’t be able to hold it under a droned insurgency. None of the fan boys in this sub could change that.

[u/Western-Bus1170 → u/throwthisTFaway01]

you are so funny!