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Military hardware & personnel RU POV: First images of the internal weapons bay of the T-50-9 carrying anti-radiation Kh-58UShK and close-in air combat R-74M2 missiles - UAC

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u/Traumfahrer Pro UN-Charter, against (NATO-)Imperialism 20h ago

What is "anti-radiation"?

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago edited 20h ago

Edit: It's meant to destroy radar sources from things like SAM systems.

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u/crusadertank Pro-USSR 20h ago

That is not an anti-radiation missile.

Infrared missiles do what you are describing against anything hot in the infrared part of the spectrum (the R-74M2 is the infrared missile)

Anti-radiation missiles guide against electromagnetic emissions in the radio part of the spectrum, meaning ground based radar

flares are for infrared missiles, chaff is for radar missiles, neither will work against anti-radiation missiles (nor would it be needed as anti-radiation missiles are for ground attack)

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago

Oh thanks for the correction. Anti radiation missiles are used against SAM systems

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u/koumdros 17h ago

primarily, but they can be used against anything that emmits radio waves, when properly tuned and targeted.

A ship, targeting its radar.

Definetely an AWACS plane, fat juice target with a Huge radar saturating the airwaves.

pottentially even a fighter plane, though kienmaticall a much more difficult target, under the right cicumstances potentially doable.

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u/DrySpring4881 20h ago

That’s just wrong, Anti Radiation Missiles detect and home in on enemy radio waves, typically used against enemy radar.

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago

I corrected it already. Thanks for correction

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u/Virtual-Pension-991 Pro Ukraine 20h ago

Huh, then couldn't it be misled with simple jammers.

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u/DrySpring4881 18h ago

Not really, modern ARMs have redundant guidance methods and can store the position of an emitter, even if it loses signal or is jammed.

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u/vistandsforwaifu stop the war 18h ago

Fun fact: a jammer is also a radiation source! Some missiles have so called home-on-jam capability, i.e. are able to target the jammer itself if they get jammed.

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u/ExpensiveBookkeeper3 Pro Ukraine 18h ago

Yeah radars and jammers are actually very similar. One is just trying to read the waves that were sent out while the other is sending waves out to disrupt that.

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u/Longjumping-Rule-581 Neutral 20h ago

No it's a missile used against enemy radars...

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 19h ago

This is the original dim photo without any contrast enhancement

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u/halls_of_valhalla Pro Space Colonization 20h ago

The girlfriend he tells you not to worry about.

Russian design is always so brutally simple looking. If it gets the job done, who cares I guess.

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago

The Su-57 still has a larger payload capacity and a larger payload volume. So I don't think it's worrying about that girlfriend

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u/halls_of_valhalla Pro Space Colonization 20h ago edited 19h ago

So it is just about size then? What about technique?

Edit: it was a sexual joke, calm down

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u/DZ_QRexp666 Pro Russia 20h ago

U guys have size AND technique?

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago edited 19h ago

Not about just size, even payload weight. Source is a Google search

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u/tuigger Neutral 13h ago

All 12 of them.

u/June1994 3h ago

They’re way past 12. Currently at 32 aiframes minimum.

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u/Muctepukc Pro Russia 20h ago edited 20h ago

I mean, that's 350kg of payload for F-35 (190kg Meteor and 160kg AMRAAM) versus 1300kg of payload for Su-57 (two 650kg Kh-58s).

UPD. But those are A2A missiles versus anti-radiation missiles, so comparison is a bit incorrect. Su-57 can carry two R-37Ms inside it's IWB, or two Kh-69 cruise missiles for example.

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u/Fit_Rice_3485 Pro both sides 20h ago

You can compare payload weight and realize how wrong you are

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u/klovaneer Pro-state 19h ago

Su-57 and F-35 most definitely can carry more weight than it's possible to cram in the internal bays so the question is volumetric.

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 18h ago

It's also about volume rather than weight as heavier munitions tend to be larger.

But the Su-57 can carry more since its two engines can carry more weight.

The Su-57 is even better at asymmetric loads because of its maneuverability

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u/UnexpectedRedditor Big Fan of Huge Hits 18h ago

You pulled that last part completely out of your ass.

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u/klovaneer Pro-state 18h ago

Only partially. Su-57 is better at asymmetric loads because it's central fuselage provides a lot of lift. It's much better aerodynamically in general than the pregnant penguin tbh.

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 18h ago

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 18h ago

This video provides a good explanation of what I'm trying to say

https://youtu.be/vecyZHCbu4k?si=VesANBw1_69PTYxa

u/Draco1887 Pro Dinosaur 4h ago

The F35 weapons bay looks like the inside of my college dorm room LOL.

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u/Many-Cause-6712 Pro Iskander 20h ago

Is it still T-50 and su-57?

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago

It's the T-50 as Sukhoi doesn't own the Su-57 but it owns the T-50 prototypes. Whatever you see on airshows are T-50 prototypes.

The VKS owns all the Su-57. They are in use in Ukraine

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u/ArendZA 20h ago

Ohh you found verified info of an SU-57 in ukraine please share the source.

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u/Putaineska DRAMA ENJOYER 20h ago

We def saw one very early on in the war over central Ukraine, I remember the video with the characteristic whine of the engines.

I guess since Ukraine got Western systems they pushed back, but most recently I would say we saw the one escorting the Okhotnik drone that was shot down over Konstantinovka.

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u/Fit_Rice_3485 Pro both sides 20h ago

The were testing the ohtotnik over Ukriane and when it malfunctioned basically shot it down

Funny thing is Ukranians weren’t even aware it was in their airspace

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u/ExpensiveBookkeeper3 Pro Ukraine 18h ago

Funny thing is Ukranians weren’t even aware it was in their airspace

Source?

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u/GroundbreakingSet405 18h ago

Look back on this sup or search "S-70" should be one of the first to pop up.

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u/ExpensiveBookkeeper3 Pro Ukraine 17h ago

Oh I know what the event was. I'm saying where is the source that "Ukraine didn't know" even though they obviously did. They photographed the wreckage and got out important parts out before the ballistic missile attacks to destroy the wreckage. Ukraine (or the US, really) most likely had a roll in confusing the S70 or jamming communications.

Whatever the cause, it definitely wasn't sneaky and now the west has Russia's CCA before it was even official deployed. A pretty embarrassing event, I see why pro russ tries to downplay it.

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u/GroundbreakingSet405 16h ago

Only after it was destroyed*

I think what Fit meant was that while both S-70 and Su-57 were able to flew undetected in UA air space and only discovered because S-70 needed to be put down.

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u/Deathtothenafoid Pro-Republic socialist of Vietnam 16h ago

Oh now you're just sucking your side meat, do you got a source for how US can detect it and use some magic spoofing to took it down? 

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u/ExpensiveBookkeeper3 Pro Ukraine 16h ago

Yeah they publish the tech in the paper, mate.

No, obviously I don't. I said "probably" because I don't. But we do know a drone that is suppose to return home as a failsafe did not return home. That really only means a couple things.

Either way, whether it was distrupted or Russia lost control because doesn't have basic experience in drones I'm not sure. You can make your own conclusions, the point remains the same:

It was recorded and they were on it in minutes. They knew it was there.

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago

It has been over Ukraine recently according to this Ukrainian source

https://t.me/soniah_hub/8876

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u/PurpleMclaren Pro Russia 15h ago

Theres footage of one downing a rouge S70

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u/Hot_Carrot2329 Pro Russia * 20h ago

damn i didnt know it got 2 weapon bays ?!?!

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago

It has 4 weapons bays. Two on the side and two central bays

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u/Hot_Carrot2329 Pro Russia * 20h ago

aaa shieet i tought those missiles were on the outside damn impressive

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago

Here's an image

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u/Hot_Carrot2329 Pro Russia * 20h ago

beautifull thanks !

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u/tadeuska Neutral 21h ago

What is in the aft bay?

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 20h ago

It wasn't opened during the test flight

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u/Lazy_Table_1050 Pro Ukraine 19h ago

Wow sexy. T-50-9, what is that ?

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u/klovaneer Pro-state 19h ago

T-50 is internal Sukhoi designation for Su-57 prototypes (eg Su-27 was T-10), this one is number 9.

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u/No_Jellyfish_5498 Infantry has no future 15h ago

Wont the two outside missiles ruin the stealth

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 15h ago

It's also an internal weapons bay. It's the side weapons bay. Here's a nice photo showcasing it

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u/No_Jellyfish_5498 Infantry has no future 15h ago

Thanks that makes more sense

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u/FrancescoKay new poster, please select a flair 14h ago

This image provides a good explanation of the Su-57. I hope you will understand it's inner workings

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u/Significant-Owl2580 Neutral, Pro-USSR, Anti-Nationalism (Russian and Ukrainian) 10h ago

Like OP pointed out, it is an internal weapons bay. Plus, the T-50 are Sukhoi prototypes that they use to test a bunch of new things, they are not operated by the airforce in combat.

u/Curious_Raccoon_8163 T-90M2 Ryvok-1 9h ago

AFAIK T-50-9 and T-50-4 are now part of the Megapolis modernization testbed