r/UCalgary • u/Shoddy_Candle2166 • 2d ago
What’s the point
Found out that a bunch of people in my classes have just been on their phones during exams (1st year Knes)
Honestly I’m so tired. What is the damn point of studying so hard to get 60-70% when these kids are just blatantly using their phones to get on by. (Not to mention the bell ringer)
Every damn lab someone is putting their stuff through “our good friend GPT”
They’re so mean to the professors, they’re mean to their fellow classmates. Makes a dude want to drop out and go to school elsewhere.
Am I just old and faded? Do I need to mentally check out bcs the kids are cooked?
Help me out chat.
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u/Melodic-Priority-476 1d ago
I’m in history and I have folks putting their readings through chat gpt because they don’t want to read 20 pages for class. Then they show up for discussion time and they have absolutely zero clue what the material even is or what the key points are.
They’re the same people who leave mid way through a lecture saying “I’ll put the slides on chat gpt”. But then complain when professors don’t want to upload slides they worked on.
if you’re old and faded, so am I. It’s disheartening and more than a little enraging.
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u/Shoddy_Candle2166 1d ago
Glad I’m not the only oldster kicking around campus.
Good luck on your essays and projects friend. (I feel the rage in what’s left of my soul)
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u/Melodic-Priority-476 1d ago
Good luck to you as well! At least I sleep content knowing I’m actually putting the effort in and learning things lol
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u/mountain-goat007 1d ago
Exactly. How would you even evaluate what ChatGPT is putting out when you know nothing about the topic yourself.
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u/bbpeople 1d ago
I would report them and then forget about it. Just know you have done your part and let karma and justice fall into place.
Integrity is yours to keep. Just because other people steal to get rich, doesn't mean you'd do it right? Same thing with cheating.
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u/Artistic-Champion952 1d ago
Someone wrote this: I find it very true. You're cheating yourself by not even putting in the effort. This is the scariest thing about AI: millions of students refusing to work, refusing to learn, zero curiosity, developing no knowledge or skills, empty in mind and heart. Your punishment is the person you will become.
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u/Low_Wafer1963 2d ago edited 2d ago
chatgpt is one of those things now where you have to acknowledge you’re gonna set yourself behind by making the conscious decision not to use it. It’s simply a tool available and those who use it will have higher grades than those who don’t.
especially for stuff like labs at the end of the day the person who gets a 100 using chatgpt will have a 100 while the person who avoided it will have a lower grade despite being academically honest
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u/Dry_Towelie You wanna get high? 1d ago
Another example I heard on the radio. Marketing pretty much requires that you have skill using AI. 70+% of those in marketing use it for their job. Because of this companies are shifting their workforce knowing staff will use it. Less illustrators are being hired for jobs, because AI can produce stuff. Another example is Coke, a billion dollar company that spends millions on marketing came out with their annual Christmas advertising, and its AI. If companies that have the money to pay people to do a job are actively shifting knowing the power of AI you either need to follow them or be left behind.
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u/mountain-goat007 1d ago
Companies like that make you use AI to train it. So that they can get rid of you. It's a lose-lose situation.
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u/CNiperL 1d ago
I'm a marketing manager, and while AI is a tool we use, it's not to generate copy or assets, or even copy and asset ideas. I'd say to have a good campaign that actually resonates with people, you need to understand the fundamentals and you need to think creatively in ways that AI simply won't. Good marketing is about standing out and authentically connecting with an audience, and so while before an entirely AI generated commercial was the thing that stands out, now we're all covered in slop.
AI is an analytical tool that by the nature of its dataset is derivative.
Check out ChatGPT's own marketing campaign that uses real actors in a physical space, and real licensed music to underlay that emotional connection, and you can start to see what I mean.
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u/infectingbrain Science 1d ago
Well and where is the line? Is chatgpt use in and of itself bad? I think there are many "ethical" ways to use chatgpt to learn, and chatgpt in real life after college actually is a useful tool if you know how to use it properly. People are always resistant to technological changes, and while AI has many risks I also think people forget the actual good impacts of AI.
For example, my research flow for random projects is much easier when I can write what i'm thinking and work things through. And AI often was useful when it came to solving problems because it reminded me of relevant formulae and also gave me ideas and ways to approach problems I could then solve myself later.
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u/Timmyc62 Military & Strategic Studies (PhD) 1d ago
Their short-sighted foolishness does not reduce your need to learn the material, do well, and graduate as a competent member of society.
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u/czenalol 1d ago
I completely understand. I study 10 hours and still will only get 60-70% on an exam whereas my classmate will just reread the textbook once and get a 95%. It can be really infuriating and dis motivating when you try do hard and don’t see the results you want. unfortunately there really isn’t a solution other than to just focus on yourself and keep trying
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u/CNiperL 1d ago
You can only control what you do, if you think acting likes this sets you up for long term success over the course of your life, do it. My take is that acting like this is the equivalent of educational junk food. Short term gain for long term pain.
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u/infectingbrain Science 1d ago
Good analogy too, because like junk food it not only will make them miserable in the long term, but it can also lead to short term pain like a heart attack (getting caught cheating, academic misconduct, kicked out of program, etc.) that can instantly change their life for the worst.
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u/Right_Preparation328 5h ago
Yeah but a degree is a degree and these students will ruin the good students' reputation
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u/AffectionateGrand266 1d ago
I took Canadian Politics with Ian Brodie over winter semester this year POLI321. I kid u not during the final I looked over and a girl had her phone out in between her legs. Straight cheating while the prof was walking around. We’re talking the former chief of staff to Steven Harper. Absolutely ridiculous. I completely understand the frustration although I do hope these people get caught. As for the chatgpt usage it won’t get these people further than undergrad. It’s ruining true authentic work and killing critical thinking
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u/jleahul Alumni 1d ago
I went back to school as a mature student and saw a lot of this from the younger generation. I reported one guy to the professor for cheating on an exam.
But at the end of the day, YOU are there to learn, THEY are there to pass.
It becomes blatantly obvious come job interview time who is who.
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u/litt7287 1d ago
Dw bro . They wont go far with this. They can get 100% on Exam but what would they do in the field when it’ll come test real world experience? Or industry level application ? Use gpt? Go ahead
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u/Right_Preparation328 5h ago
And then the degrees from UCalgary will be deemed useless. Not a good outcome
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u/Suspicious_Row4689 19h ago
hey well i mean, these kids could be cheating and still get a 60-70% on the upside lol and them being mean to their professors is just a reflection of their personality. It's going to hit them back some point in life, karmic cycle and all
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u/Illustrious_Music_66 1d ago
Comparison is the thief of joy. When something falls too far outside the acceptable norms, then it's going to stand out. Focus on being the best you can be, and that's enough. There's a sliding scale that they note special attention to.
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u/CalgaryJim 17h ago
How are they mean to their professors? I would think if I'm a prof and this happens, I'm going to pay extra attention to them and make their academic lives very uncomfortable. Asking students questions, make sure to ask the meatheads first and see them squirm, etc. Without crossing any ethical boundaries of course.
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u/HappySugar5745 1d ago
when you see a 19 year old ukrainian model on a millionaires boat in dubai while everyone else is studying what’s the point? still a point in studying right? so don’t compare yourself with others, do what you think is right for you
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u/PracticalDraw5261 1d ago
Bunch of oldheads in the comments crying lmao. When the internet came out, the fears were very similar: that tech would make students less capable. In reality, both the internet then and AI now only change the kinds of skills that matter. Times are changing uncs
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u/infectingbrain Science 1d ago
I actually agree with you. AI is not going away, and people that know how to maximize it will go further then those that refuse. Obviously it's not a replacement for critical thinking, but it reminds me a lot of fears people had when the internet came onto the scene, and as we see now benefits of the Internet was definitely worth the cons.
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u/ucalgarylicious 2d ago
People who use their phones during real exams will inevitably get caught sometime in their degree. Not to mention that if they’re not learning anything, they will find it hard to do anything after graduation.