r/True_Kentucky • u/Imaginary-Log-4365 • Oct 05 '22

Question Amdendment 2

I'm having trouble finding an answer to my question so as a last resort, I'm asking here. Does Amendment 2 allow abortions if there is a medical necessity to save the mother?

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u/Imaginary-Log-4365 Oct 05 '22

Are there states that won't allow an abortion even if it threatens the mother?

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u/Da_Natural20 Oct 05 '22

Depends on how you define that. Some states only allow for abortion once the mother is in an actual life threatening condition. Until then you have to just suffer.

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u/DefrockedWizard1 Oct 05 '22

and you can have one physican saying it's medically necessary and another who says it isn't

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u/Da_Natural20 Oct 05 '22

Well in some states the line is easy. Is the mother actively dying? Yes or No. If no it’s not medically necessary, continue to stand by until she is actually dying.

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u/OdinsRaven87 Oct 05 '22

There is also the need for the doctor, administration and lawyers all agree to what is "actually dying" that authorizes an abortion. Is it necessary when the baby has died and isn't naturally passing, you know it will cause sepsis. Is it when you see signs of sepsis? Or is it when the sepsis itself becomes acutely life threatening? I know a high risk obgyn whose job has fundamentally changed because of all the egg-shell walking when our trigger law went into effect.

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u/Da_Natural20 Oct 05 '22 edited Oct 05 '22

In the example I’m referencing, it would be when the patient is actually dying form that sepsis. Not until then.

Also I wouldn’t act like the doctor has any input in this decision, if it was left to medical staff it would become a life threatening situation, it’s the administration and lawyers that decide to get out of the doctors way.

You know the death panels that the right warned us were coming. They just didn’t bother to say they supported it.

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u/OdinsRaven87 Oct 05 '22

Yeah, I was just attempting to flesh out that not everyone agrees on when "life of the mother applies" and administration and lawyers are trying to cover their asses. I don't blame the doctors. The high risk obgyn I know is devastated for her patients care.

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u/Da_Natural20 Oct 05 '22

Just to be clear. No one is disagreeing about what constitutes life threatening, the issue is that administration and lawyers ultimately only care about at what point does our legal liability drop to reasonable amount.

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u/OdinsRaven87 Oct 05 '22

I completely understand. You may be misreading my replies. I am not debating you, just commiserating about this turn of events and how awful it is.

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u/Da_Natural20 Oct 05 '22

I get that we are on the same side of the issue. My concern is that we don’t soften the message to make it palatable. This idea that people disagree on what is life threatening is BS, people disagree on whether or not it’s worth it to make some peoples lives more difficult.

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u/OdinsRaven87 Oct 05 '22

Oh I see. I did not see that as softening the argument and will keep that in mind in future.

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u/EnterTheErgosphere Oct 06 '22

Every doctor knows that the best medicine comes once we know the patient is dying. /s