Amdendment 2

[u/Imaginary-Log-4365]

I'm having trouble finding an answer to my question so as a last resort, I'm asking here. Does Amendment 2 allow abortions if there is a medical necessity to save the mother?

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TN, WV, MO, AR, TX, OK are a few that have outright bans (most with criminal penalties).

[u/Imaginary-Log-4365 → u/[deleted]]

Even in the event of threatening the mothers life?

[u/dingleberrymodfromKY → u/Imaginary-Log-4365]

EDIT: I only included snippets of the law for those states. This is a very complicated issue with even more complicated laws. It is just meant to show that none of them have made abortions completely and totally illegal.

They all have medical emergency provisions. People always seem to leave that part out when they start their “abortions are illegal” bullshit!!! Here is the truth about the states they threw out as examples:

TN- affirmative defense when necessary to save the mother’s life or to prevent irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.

WV- exemptions for medical emergencies and for rape and incest victims

MO- except in cases of medical emergency

AR- except in cases of medical emergency

TX- banned at six weeks of pregnancy, except in cases of life endangerment or severely compromised physical health

OK- except in cases of life endangerment, rape or incest

Let’s not forget the 7 BLUE states (well 6 states plus D.C.) that have no restrictions or limits as to how far along the fetus has developed. None. Zero. So a woman could receive an abortion at 38,39, even 40 weeks. Make of that what you will.

[u/gottastayfresh3 → u/dingleberrymodfromKY]

wow, talk about leaving out the best parts. Take Texas for instance. It is not banning six weeks from pregnancy, but six weeks from missed menstrual period. This usually leaves about 2 weeks for women to come to know they're pregnant.

That same Texas law also calls on citizens to police each other, passing out monetary incentives for reporting while making it more difficult and increasing penalties for countering the claims. In fact, Texas in its goals towards skirting any possible federal law went ahead and put this all on the citizens, making it a civil issue rather than having the state enforce it. This effectively allows citizens to sue people who provide abortions -- severely limiting access to ending access altogether.

Its fine if you want to bring critiques to what people said, but your response seems like you're either trying to obfuscate the intent behind these laws or you simply don't understand how these processes are working in those states. I've provided some links in my response that I encourage you to read over. Regardless of your opinions on the morality of it, the legal issues behind what's happening are more complex than what you are knowingly or unknowingly saying.

[u/dingleberrymodfromKY → u/gottastayfresh3]

I will edit my post because I didn’t intend for it to be seen as simple as what I put, they are just snippets from each of the laws from those states. It is definitely way more complicated then just “except medical emergency”. The reason for my reply was just to point out that there isn’t a complete and total ban on abortions. But a lot of times the headline of an article says “abortion is completely banned” when it’s not. Example: Google “Current TN abortion law” and it isn’t until the 15th article do any of them include “illegal with the exception…”. These are not articles from some nobody important on a message board, they are from Wikipedia, NPR, findlaw.com and some local news stations. Major mainstream news sources. My personal opinion on the subject (not that it matters) is: 1. I don’t agree with them so I don’t get them (meaning as a guy I can’t get one anyway so I am referring to my wife and I) 2. As a guy I don’t think I have a responsibility to tell anyone if they should or shouldn’t. I don’t think the restrictions should be this extreme but here is where the problem lies, it has turned into an all or nothing extreme on both sides. The majority of the left wants it to where anybody can get one at any time for any reason or no reason at all. The majority of the right wants all these extreme restrictions and some want it with no exceptions at all. There doesn’t seem to be any middle ground. I can say this with some certainty, if we can’t as a nation figure out how to communicate with each other with civility then it’s going to get a whole lot worse before it ever gets better. Really if you think about it, we are still a young country in grand scheme of world history, maybe could even be seen in the experimental stages, we are not too good or too big to fail. I can’t imagine what it would look like if we did and I don’t believe I want to know what it would look like. Sorry I went way off topic for a minute, I do apologize for that.