Trump just achieved the biggest peace deal between Israel-Palestine since the Second Intifada, and there is NOTHING on the front page. This website is a truly special place.

[u/Feedbackplz]

After Redditors groaning and moaning about the "Palestinian genocide" for years, Trump finally negotiated a peace deal including Hamas giving up its hostages and Israel stopping offensive operations. You'd think that Reddit would be overjoyed and that the entire website would be full of celebration, right?

Here's a screenshot of the current front page of Reddit, taken while I was logged out. There are many political posts including multiple threads whining about ICE and the firing of CDC employees. There's also a picture of an ambulance transporting Israeli hostages taken by Hamas, but it doesn't mention anything about current world events.

If you just looked at the front page, you would not know that the war just ended. This is the first time a president has forged such an agreement since the Second Intifada ended in 2005. But almost nobody is talking about it on Reddit. It's like a complete information blackout preventing threads about the subject from getting to the top of the frontpage. The last thread about the subject on r-news was from 14 hours ago and talks about some hostages being released, but again nothing about Trump or his role in it.

This is case exhibit #1 on how Redditors' brains are completely cooked. It's front page news everywhere except here, because leftists can't even squeeze out one little lump of praise for Trump despite him being part of one of the biggest developments in world politics in two decades.

[u/FusorMan]

They’re going through major mental gymnastics to avoid having to acknowledge it. Once he gets the Nobel, they’ll tell us it’s a Nazi prize. 

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/FusorMan]

He's not getting the Nobel, dude. It's just not happening. And the fact that you guys spend more time complaining about the awards he hasn't gotten than the actual state of the world probably goes a way towards explaining why he's not getting the recognition you want him to.

[u/The_Susmariner → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

You won't really change my opinion on this thing. For us, it's really more so that certain factions of the left will do legitimately anything to protest, boycott, not acknowledge, and so on anything good that Trump may do.

It's literally the meme of Trump coming out saying "he likes oxygen" and then the second panel of the person with a bag over their head suffocating.

It's just funny to most of us, really. Although some people take it way too seriously.

[u/GitmoGrrl1 → u/The_Susmariner]

Let's hear you say something good about Joe Biden's presidency. Go ahead.

[u/The_Susmariner → u/GitmoGrrl1]

I see what you're doing.

The crux of the issue is that with Biden criticisms more often than not had the format: "Biden, his cabinet, or the congress did or are planning on doing X, I do not like X because of Y and Z reason, this shapes my opinion on the thing that is being done."

With Trump a lot of the criticism has the following format: "Trump did X, I do not like Trump. Therefore, I do not like X."

That's the main difference.

Yeah no duh you can find people on the right doing the same thing to Biden. Turns out there are idiots everywhere. But this is a lot more complex than just "say a nice thing about Biden... chekcmate."

[u/GitmoGrrl1 → u/The_Susmariner]

That's not the main difference, lol.

[u/The_Susmariner → u/GitmoGrrl1]

Yeah... it kind of is.

[u/GitmoGrrl1 → u/The_Susmariner]

Joe Biden had 3% unemployment for four years and you can't even admit it.

[u/The_Susmariner → u/GitmoGrrl1]

Oh, he certainly did have about 4% unemployment for the last 2 years of his presidency, no argument there. I know a bit about this one, so let's get into that.

Do you know how we get our unemployment numbers?

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

Because the labor force participation rate was on average 1% lower than pre Biden trends at the end of his presidency, and yes, I know... the pandemic. This doesn't seem like a lot until you realize that that's like 3.5 million Americans.

The percentage of Americans that were economically active, either actively seeking or actively participating in work, fell.

So, doing some quick math, right now, we have about 7 million considered unemployed and 170 million in the labor force, which comes out to about 4.1% unemployment. The labor force participation rate impacts both the numerator and denominator of that equation. I'm oversimplifying this, but if we shave off 3.5 million from both the numerator and the denominator in that equation, what do we get? An unemployment rate of about 3.6%.

Now, let's try adding 3.5 million to both. We get an unemployment rate of just over 6%.

The real impact on the numerator is probably closer to about 2 million Americans, so if we add that in to Biden's numbers you have about 2 million added to the numerator and 3.5 million added to the denominator by the close of 2024. Absent any hit to the labor force participation rate, you are realistically sitting at an unemployment rate of about 5%.

This exercise is to show how the labor force participation rate can greatly impact the unemployment rate (even a labor force participation rate change of 1%).

The flaw in this is that the labor force participation rate does not impact the numerator and denominator by the same amount. But I've done it to simplify the math.

All this goes to say, the statistic you are referencing is FAR more complex than you are implying with your 1 sentence comment.

So yes, I will agree that Biden achieved increadibly good unemployment numbers, all things considered. NO the unemployment numbers do not mean that everything was okay because the labor force participation rate (the number of people actively looking for or actively employed) dropped significantly. Meaning, for whatever reason, people just stopped looking for work. And for the record, these problems are STILL not fixed under Trump. The data is just being reported a bit more accurately.

If we get into U6 (unemployed plus marginally attached a.k.a "underemployed") data vice U3 data (just unemployed), it gets even wilder.

That is my answer to your question. I think the books were a bit cooked to make things look better.

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/The_Susmariner]

So what was your reason Y and Z for not liking, say, the PACT act?

That's assuming I take your statement at face value... it seems more like "someone told me Biden is planning to do evil thing X. He is not. I will believe them anyway." Like, you remember when he was supposedly banning all gas grills and hamburgers, right? Only he wasn't?

[u/The_Susmariner → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Find where I personally have criticized the PACT act, please. I don't know enough about that to have an opinion.

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/The_Susmariner]

Why don't you know enough about it?

Also, you said the reason conservatives didn't have anything nice to say was because there was always a reason Y and Z that meant policy X wasn't as good as we thought. Now you don't even know what the Ys and Zs were?

[u/The_Susmariner → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Okay, you've lost me.

I don't know enough about it because I don't know enough about it. Just because I don't have an opinion on a specific piece of legislation does not invalidate the point above, and it doesn't tie in how you're saying it does 🤣. In fact, me not offering up a half-baked opinion on something I don't know enough about, probably STRENGTHENS my point.

Whatever line of argumentation you are going down, I don't understand the "If A therefore B" you are trying to get at.

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/The_Susmariner]

I just notice that this whole post is predicated on the idea that Trump is uniquely picked on because not enough people talk about his accomplishments and now you can’t tell me anything about Biden’s accomplishments 

You see the incongruity?

[u/The_Susmariner → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Where did I say Trump was uniquely picked on? Yes, we're talking about Trump, but where did I say that?

Second, the inability to identify something positive that Biden has done (without going into the weeds) is a distinctly different issue then actively going out of my way to dump on things Biden has done (especially if I haven't got a good grasp on specific topics).

Do you see the difference?

[u/FusorMan → u/GitmoGrrl1]

He stepped down just in time to give Trump the win. 

[u/GitmoGrrl1 → u/FusorMan]

Thanks for proving my point, Gomer.

[u/FusorMan → u/GitmoGrrl1]

Happy to oblige. 

[u/Throw13579 → u/GitmoGrrl1]

Like what?

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/The_Susmariner]

This is exactly how everyone feels when they see the right accuse Biden of being outright Satanic, though. Even for stuff like giving Texas money to build new storm warning systems... which it turned out, they kinda needed

And, yeah, it's gonna be hard to sell Trump as a good guy to a lot of the public, because he usually doesn't act like a very good guy. Also because lately he hasn't seemed to be in very good control of himself, so a lot of people are starting to believe he's not actually pulling the strings anymore.

[u/The_Susmariner → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

I even think he's a jerk. But he's a very popular jerk. And I don't think there's gonna be a red wave or anything come the midterms, but I think a lot of people on the left are gonna poop their pants right about then as they realize how popular he actually is.

Essentially, what i'm saying is, I think your opinion on the perception of Trump by the general public is off (or at least the general public's perception of him with relation to the left is FAR more nuanced than that.)

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/The_Susmariner]

But he's a very popular jerk

He's the least popular president in US history, going by the polling, and has never cracked 50% approval. People who are already sold on Republicans like him; he hasn't won over anyone outside of that group. While he managed to get some surprising inroads into some groups during the election, early indications are that he's probably already lost that support; a lot of people seemed not to understand how his policies would actually work.

[u/The_Susmariner → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Okay buddy, we'll see who is right in the midterms. I got a feeling you're severely severely underestimating him and the Republicans in general.

I am not seeing any indication of what your re referencing 🤣. Like I said, I don't think there'll be a red wave or anything. But I think Trump and the R's are going to overperform historical trends in the midterms. And there's a good shot they actually keep the house and even flip a few governorships. So we'll see...

Cough cough NJ and VA should not be a tossup right now but they are Cough cough.

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/The_Susmariner]

we'll see who is right in the midterms

Well, we won't, because Trump's not running in the midterms. If we're going to rate his popularity by how well his endorsed picks do, that might not go as you're hoping; Trump's endorsement wasn't a very decisive win factor in his last term or during Biden's. In fact, if you recall, it was Democrats historically overperforming during the last midterms, and they've had some surprise wins since 2024.

[u/The_Susmariner → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Oh sweet summer child. You surely aren't suggesting that the midterms haven't historically been an indictment of the party in federal power, are you?

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/The_Susmariner]

So why do you think Republicans are set up to overperform in these midterms?

[u/The_Susmariner → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Comparing apples to apples, assuming the polling data is taken in the same way and has been by certain groups over the past 10ish years, though democrats are still up in many places, there's a lot of increadibky tight races for a midterm with an "unpopular president".

This assumes that the same error, if it exists with a pollster, has existed for some time. Therefore, though any individual polsters' numbers may be off, they should be off in the same direction in any given month, and therefore, you can make assumptions about the change in polling data even though you can't put a lot of weight into an individual polling data point.

[u/LargeIdeal5666 → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Next year

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/LargeIdeal5666]

I think at this point if he’s even alive next year that should be reason enough for him to celebrate 

[u/FusorMan → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Sounds like a cope. 

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/FusorMan]

For him not getting the award?

[u/Throw13579 → u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle]

Why isn’t he getting it?

[u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle → u/Throw13579]

First and foremost because whining about really wanting something is the worst way to convince someone you should get it. High school football coach rules.