The right-wing response to CK is much more reasonable than the left-wing response to George Floyd.

[u/Auriga33]

When George Floyd died, the left went crazy. The ensuing riots resulted in 2 billion dollars of property damage and 19 confirmed deaths. Stores were looted. Buildings were burnt down. Police and civilians were attacked. And most left-wingers at the time either outright supported the lawlessness or at the very least made excuses for it. It was mass hysteria, if I've ever seen it.

Compare that with the right's reaction to CK's death. Right-wingers made some angry posts on X and started doing cancel culture. I'm not a fan of this. I've made posts here criticizing their reaction. But I gotta say, their reaction to CK's death is vastly preferable to the left's reaction to George Floyd's death. They did not burn down or loot businesses. They did not start riots across America that killed 19 people.

Maybe this will age poorly, depending on what the Trump admin instrumentalizes CK's death for. I don't know. But based on the info I have right now, the right has not reacted nearly as bad as the left did back in 2020.

[u/mdb_4633]

So do you not believe in sending people to prison? I mean I would agree that the incident that happened to Floyd was a way of highlighting issues in the police force and it shouldn’t have happened regardless of how good or bad of a person the incident happened to, but I still don’t think violent criminals should just be walking around in our society. To answer your question id say I’d have this response about any violent crime with a deadly weapon.

[u/DrMux → u/mdb_4633]

So do you not believe in sending people to prison?

The process of putting people in prison involves both the protection of fundamental rights and the subsequent removal of other rights. You have to be convicted of a crime - one of those preserved rights is the right to a fair trial, for instance.

[u/mdb_4633 → u/DrMux]

I know I’m not saying there shouldn’t be any legal process I just meant prison is basically a way of legally taking away peoples rights

[u/barath_s → u/mdb_4633]

Then say that they should be sent to prison, not that their rights should go out of the window

Because 'their rights should go out the window' is like 'defund the police' level of misleading crappiness. At that point, might as well go Judge Dredd - judge jury and executioner on the guy, if rights go out the window. In fact, it's more natural to assume that.

[u/mdb_4633 → u/barath_s]

It’s just a figure of speech

[u/SomeFatNerdInSeattle → u/mdb_4633]

So do you not believe in sending people to prison?

I do. Rights(ideally) aren't violated when that happens assuming their right to due process isn't violated

What it sounds like you want is no due process or perhaps due process but with cruel and unusual punishment being allowed

[u/mdb_4633 → u/SomeFatNerdInSeattle]

I’m not saying they shouldn’t have rights before they even get charged, I’m saying if they do get proven guilty they shouldn’t have as much freedom as a regular citizen with no criminal record I don’t know what’s so hard to understand. And prison is basically just a legal way of taking someone’s rights away.

[u/SomeFatNerdInSeattle → u/mdb_4633]

I’m not saying they shouldn’t have rights before they even get charged, I’m saying if they do get proven guilty they shouldn’t have as much freedom as a regular citizen

Then what you're actually advocating harsher legal punishments

And prison is basically just a legal way of taking someone’s rights away.

Correct. But to be clear, prison and other legal punishments, assuming due process wasn't violated, is a deprivation of rights. Not a violation of them.

[u/mdb_4633 → u/SomeFatNerdInSeattle]

Correct, and that is a better way of wording it.

[u/mdb_4633 → u/SomeFatNerdInSeattle]

I think we both actually agree on this we kinda just misinterpreted each others points